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Old 12-02-2005, 01:27 AM
Popinjay Popinjay is offline
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Default Re: Jmans Always Draw (5/10 6max)

Push on the turn after c-r looks better.
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Old 12-02-2005, 02:37 AM
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Default Re: Jmans Always Draw (5/10 6max)

Hi Jman,

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You mean on the flop? Then yes, I thought about [folding]

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You should never consider folding here for 30. You have 12 outs to the nuts. Calling is fine, though. I like your play in the rest of the hand.
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:51 AM
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Default Re: Jmans Always Draw (5/10 6max)

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Hi Jman,

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You mean on the flop? Then yes, I thought about [folding]

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You should never consider folding here for 30. You have 12 outs to the nuts. Calling is fine, though. I like your play in the rest of the hand.

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Thanks. I was worried about getting raised out behind me, but I guess the implied odds are juicy enough to make up for that chance.
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:36 AM
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You flopped way too good for that hand to fold on that flop bet.
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Old 12-02-2005, 07:36 AM
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Default Re: Jmans Always Draw

Flop can be played either way.

Turn - I don't like the nearly min-raise make it $400 or 500 for reasons buttons mentioned.
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Old 12-02-2005, 09:41 AM
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Default Re: Jmans Always Draw

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Flop can be played either way.

Turn - I don't like the nearly min-raise make it $400 or 500 for reasons buttons mentioned.

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yeah but doesn't a 3-bet scream flush? true villain might have one too, but wouldn't it be better to call then 2/3 value bet the river?
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Old 12-02-2005, 09:45 AM
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Default Re: Jmans Always Draw

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Flop can be played either way.

Turn - I don't like the nearly min-raise make it $400 or 500 for reasons buttons mentioned.

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yeah but doesn't a 3-bet scream flush? true villain might have one too, but wouldn't it be better to call then 2/3 value bet the river?

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lotta cards you don't wanna see on river...4th club/board pairing + 3 betting turn gives you chance to stack lower flush
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Old 12-02-2005, 09:50 AM
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Default Re: Jmans Always Draw

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Flop can be played either way.

Turn - I don't like the nearly min-raise make it $400 or 500 for reasons buttons mentioned.

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yeah but doesn't a 3-bet scream flush? true villain might have one too, but wouldn't it be better to call then 2/3 value bet the river?

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lotta cards you don't wanna see on river...4th club/board pairing + 3 betting turn gives you chance to stack lower flush

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the 4th flush card doesn't mean anything except it will kill your action unless he has J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] which 2/3 pot bet will make a call. i don't think the board pairing on the river will affect anything because i don't see SB not raising preflop holding AA/KK/JJ. maybe limps with 99/AJ/KJ, but i don't see a min raise coming from SB on just 2 pair on a flush board. although, maybe he would, but that seems real weak.
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Old 12-02-2005, 09:52 AM
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Default Re: Jmans Always Draw

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Flop can be played either way.

Turn - I don't like the nearly min-raise make it $400 or 500 for reasons buttons mentioned.

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yeah but doesn't a 3-bet scream flush? true villain might have one too, but wouldn't it be better to call then 2/3 value bet the river?

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lotta cards you don't wanna see on river...4th club/board pairing + 3 betting turn gives you chance to stack lower flush

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you know what...i'm sure you're right now. it's probably leaving money on the table that a lot of cards could fall that would kill your action.
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:04 AM
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Default Re: Jmans Always Draw (5/10 6max)

I would call the turn raise here as he is likely drawing dead and will continue firing on the river, whereas your reraise announces your hand.
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