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12-21-2005, 04:56 PM
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Re: Walking the Picket Line
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A lot fo jobs are necessary to society. That is why they are jobs. That doesn't mean we need to institute slavery to get it done. [/ QUOTE ] your "slavery" reason does not fit in what I previously mentioned. You said the media was giving the union/strike a bad rap, I stated reasons why. Not argueing with the right for them to go on strike, but I stated the TIMING for the MTA to do this is a very poor selfish decision. This has nothing to do with "slavery". 
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12-21-2005, 06:10 PM
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Re: Walking the Picket Line
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the TIMING for the MTA to do this is a very poor selfish decision. [/ QUOTE ] Why? Seems smart to me. This puts a lot of pressure on the gov't to give in. Why should they not do the smartest thing and use the most leverage available?
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12-21-2005, 06:19 PM
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Re: Walking the Picket Line
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[ QUOTE ] the TIMING for the MTA to do this is a very poor selfish decision. [/ QUOTE ] Why? Seems smart to me. This puts a lot of pressure on the gov't to give in. Why should they not do the smartest thing and use the most leverage available? [/ QUOTE ] There may be some confusion here. The MTA is the company. The union is the TWU. The illegality of the strike aside, the timing makes it even more likely that the government will crack down. The union is facing a $1 million a day fine, the union leadership is facing jail time, the workers are facing a fine of 2 days pay for every day on strike, and the workers' families are facing a pretty grim Xmas.
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12-21-2005, 09:23 PM
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Re: Walking the Picket Line
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At issue, is why the government has the right to crack down. What are they cracking down on? [/ QUOTE ] They are cracking down on people who are breaking the law. Are you saying that the government does not have the right to enforce the law? It is illegal for public workers to strike in New York. Those people knew that when they were hired. In accepting the job, they agreed to not strike. They are breaking that agreement, and they are breaking the law. There is no evidence that the company (MTA) failed to uphold their end of the agreement. The workers were paid the wages and benefits as agreed to. Now the workers are not upholding their end of the agreement. And they are breaking the law, and screwing over millions of their fellow citizens who have been paying their wages.
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#6
12-21-2005, 09:43 PM
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Re: Walking the Picket Line
The MTA contract has to be renegotiated every few years. At issue now is one of those renogotiations. If the workers aren't allowed to strike, HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSE TO NEGOTIATE THIER CONTRACT. What leverage do they have? If management gives them nothing, what are they suppose to do about it. Yes, they have paid thier wages and benefits under the OLD CONTRACT.
Workers can't just walk away when the vast bulk of thier compensation comes from benefit and retirement packages based on years of service. They need leverage in order to negotiate a new contract. During each contract period if you want to impose a no strike clause that is fine. But what about in between contract periods? They didn't agree to a no strike clause because they wanted too, or because they got a special concession in exchange. The government IMPOSED the law.
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#7
12-21-2005, 11:00 PM
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Re: Walking the Picket Line
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If the workers aren't allowed to strike, HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSE TO NEGOTIATE THIER CONTRACT. What leverage do they have? [/ QUOTE ] If the individual doesn't like the deal, he can quit and find a better job. If the union doesn't think that management is negotiating in good faith, they can take it to arbitration. There are other groups that can't strike either: police, fire fighters, etc. That's the price you pay for taking the job. [ QUOTE ] They didn't agree to a no strike clause because they wanted too, or because they got a special concession in exchange. [/ QUOTE ] They agreed to it in advance because it was a condition of getting the job. And they all agreed to it happily. If you join the military, you give up certain "rights" that civilians have, like wage negotiation. If you take a civil service job, you give up certain things that people in the private sector have, like the right to strike. And you give up the right to bitch about it when you don't like the rules in the middle of the game. Everyone else is still playing by the rules. The union is not.
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