Flat-calling middle set

#1 10-19-2005, 09:12 PM

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MP ($117.50)
Hero ($215)
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SB ($202.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3, 1 fold.

Flop: ($14) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $7, Hero raises to $21, SB calls $21, MP folds.

Turn: ($63) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($63) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $33, Hero calls $33.

Final Pot: $129

SB was 26/6/1.3
MP was 34/9/3.5

okay so my flop raise was probably a bit too small, I didn't realize at the time that it was only a half pot raise

SB's cold call screamed monster to me, the only problem was I too had a monster. So on the turn I ponder the chances of him having a 5 (without it being a straight already), and I think they are small, so I'm not too worried about a draw. I would hate to get check-raised on the turn by 75 and miss my chance to fill up for free, so I check. (weak-tight much?)

Then on the river I don't know whether to raise or call, I think the only hands I beat that he calls my river raise is with 2 pair or 33

33 is just as likely as 66, so I guess that cancels out, but 75/52 feels more likely than two pair. I would expect a flopped straight more likely to be slowplayed then two pair.

So, does anyone like my justification of my weak-tightness?

orange · #2 10-19-2005, 09:18 PM

I think its good. Raising the river is pointless..worse hands fold and better hands call. SB seems to like his hand alot...hope it worked out for you.

RED FACE · #3 10-19-2005, 09:20 PM

okay so my flop raise was probably a bit too small, I didn't realize at the time that it was only a half pot raise
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too small for what? I don't like this seeming auto-potting esp. in this situation.
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SB's cold call screamed monster to me, the only problem was I too had a monster. So on the turn I ponder the chances of him having a 5 (without it being a straight already), and I think they are small, so I'm not too worried about a draw. I would hate to get check-raised on the turn by 75 and miss my chance to fill up for free, so I check. (weak-tight much?)
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when you flop a set on that board against a pfr you should be praying to get all your chips in at any point. I do however like the check behind on the turn because it often gets your river bet paid off vs his op.
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Then on the river I don't know whether to raise or call, I think the only hands I beat that he calls my river raise is with 2 pair or 33
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yeah, his river bet is tough, I fear JJ. A decent player shouldn't be betting AA here so I reckon the call is best.
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33 is just as likely as 66, so I guess that cancels out, but 75/52 feels more likely than two pair. I would expect a flopped straight more likely to be slowplayed then two pair.

So, does anyone like my justification of my weak-tightness?

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Note, I don't play 6max.

Riposte · #4 10-19-2005, 09:21 PM

Wow uhm, I'm betting the turn hard here every single time.

#5 10-19-2005, 09:23 PM

You calling a check-raise?

Riposte · #6 10-19-2005, 09:24 PM

I'm pushing a check-raise.

RED FACE · #7 10-19-2005, 09:25 PM

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You calling a check-raise?

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I am. Gleefully. 88, 66(both very unlikely imo) or he's a donk.

#8 10-19-2005, 09:26 PM

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I'm pushing a check-raise.

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yeah that's what I meant

what hand range do you have him on when he checkraises?

Riposte · #9 10-19-2005, 09:34 PM

33, 55, 66, 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ, QQ, 34, 67... with 26% VPIP he won't have much, and I'm highly doubting a guy with these stats will call a raise OOP with 57 or 52.

Morrek · #10 10-19-2005, 09:34 PM

I like your line, although I would probably bet this turn if it was me. Quite a scary board though but you are ahead of quite a few hands here. Keep in mind check-calling can often be a draw, 65s comes to mind(54s not so likely since we see 3 4's already).
Sucks if you're behind, but you don't have to go allin on river if you miss and he push. And I would hate it if I let 5x complete his straight for free here.