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Old 11-13-2005, 10:24 AM
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Default Totalbet and UKbetting poker (crypto) are scum

They advertised with a november sunday promotion at their tables: Any 2 dealt aces and you win a 25 bonus every sunday in november. Max 2 claims per promotion.

Today, without notice they had changed "any 2 aces" to "2 RED aces", next sunday to "2 BLACK aces". In other words they are giving away 1/6 of the "fantastic promotion" bonuses advertised.

Maybe they were hit hard last sunday, but then they are idiots that can't calculate odds.

F*** them! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
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Old 11-13-2005, 10:25 AM
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they not change their advertised promotions last monday?

seems like they were hit hard last week and they are dumb for not realising that they would be but they did give almmost a weeks notice
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Old 11-13-2005, 10:33 AM
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Default Re: Totalbet and UKbetting poker (crypto) are scum

they are 'scum' how?

how exactly have they defrauded you or cost you money?

the AA promo is a bonus on top of the easiest bonus to release on the net - 25 for 5 hrs table play

they honored the any AA bonus last weekend despite being hit hard by whores like you who had probably never even heard of the site before and then gave everyone a week's notice that it would run under the altered terms for the rest of the month

none of this has cost you time or money - they may have understimated how hard the whores would hit, but that hardly makes them 'scum' - just play your 5 hrs and pocket at least $45 - and hope and for some red or black aces on top -assuming you can manage to get out or your 'whaaaambulance' long enough to play break even of course.. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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Old 11-13-2005, 10:45 AM
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Default Re: Totalbet and UKbetting poker (crypto) are scum

Dude, if you ever reach 1/10 of what I have earned at poker you can call yourself successfull. Do your homework before opening your big mouth.

And I know that "business before honor" is the american way (in this case the english way as well), but for "us" that are use to our society not allowing "scums" to change the terms of a promotion (that's right, over here if the casino is dumb enough to make a mistake, they have to pay for it) such actions seem unreal. The same way if you have a shop and you put an add in the paper advertising with a price and refuse to sell the item for that amount (no excuse is good enough), you just complain to the state and the "scum" is forced to oblige.

It's called "consumer protection".

Have a nive day!
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Old 11-13-2005, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: Totalbet and UKbetting poker (crypto) are scum

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Dude, if you ever reach 1/10 of what I have earned at poker you can call yourself successfull. Do your homework before opening your big mouth.

And I know that "business before honor" is the american way (in this case the english way as well), but for "us" that are use to our society not allowing "scums" to change the terms of a promotion (that's right, over here if the casino is dumb enough to make a mistake, they have to pay for it) such actions seem unreal. The same way if you have a shop and you put an add in the paper advertising with a price and refuse to sell the item for that amount (no excuse is good enough), you just complain to the state and the "scum" is forced to oblige.

It's called "consumer protection".

Have a nive day!

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They did pay for their mistake, realized it was not viable and changed it for coming weeks. How on earth this is unfair is beyond me. If you don't like the current conditions, don't play there. I suppose you haven't spent time generating rake for them during the week to actually make them think such a promotion is a good idea in the long run?

Many bonuswhores have a distorted sense of entitlement.
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Old 11-13-2005, 11:21 AM
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Default Re: Totalbet and UKbetting poker (crypto) are scum

Ok lets take it one more time from scratch.

- They run a 4-day promotion.
- After the first day, they change the terms of the promotion to one that is much more favorable to them.
- We assume it is because they lost money the first day, we don't really know.
- People that have no idea they have changed the promotion keep playing other sundays during november (that is good for them, not for the dummys that have no idea they won't be getting their money)

Are you starting to have an idea why this kind of thing shouldn't be permitted? if not, don't quit your day job or try desperately to find one....

Sometimes, I really wonder.....
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Old 11-13-2005, 11:41 AM
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Default Re: Totalbet and UKbetting poker (crypto) are scum

I understood the sequence of events from your first post, you know. I just don't find it upsetting or think they are scum. They are not a welfare institution, they are a business. Them making decisions that make business sense shouldn't come as a shock to you.
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Old 11-13-2005, 01:24 PM
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I understood the sequence of events from your first post, you know. I just don't find it upsetting or think they are scum. They are not a welfare institution, they are a business. Them making decisions that make business sense shouldn't come as a shock to you.

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That their decision makes business sense doesn't change the fact they changed their T&C DURING the promotion.

I wouldn't go as far as calling them scum tho.

They are bastards.

BTW, does being a bonus whore make some of you guys feel bad or something? Even if you are a very successful online poker pro what you make a year is still pocket change for a poker site. So, wake up.
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Old 11-13-2005, 01:26 PM
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Default Re: Totalbet and UKbetting poker (crypto) are scum

Once again and for the last time. Business means obligation to keep your word. At least in the world I live. You semm to live in a different one and if you like it good for you. I think it's wrong to change the terms of a promotion, especially when you might earn from it in the short time (while knowing that because gambler's have an addiction problem, they can be screwed every day and they will keep showing up).
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Old 11-13-2005, 02:36 PM
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You are obviously intelligent enough to realise that you have no legal recourse against them. There is no contract and I bet in the TOS small print they reserve the right to amend/withdraw the promo at any time.

So what you are complaining about is a moral issue. They made a mistake, you took advantage of that for one day (was it the only day you've played at their site btw?) and then they close the loophole for weeks 2-4.

What would make them 'scum' is if they had let you play then retrospectively failed to honor the bonus. They just corrected a mistake and gave at least 6 days advance warning of the change - it is far from clear that the bonus whore's position here is in any way morally superior to the site's.

Most adults just commented 'well it was too good to last, I bet the bonus whores hit em real hard'. You on the other hand getinto your 'waaambulance' and vastly overstate the issue.

What about the site a couple of weeks ago who cancelled a guaranteed payment rebuy MTT coz their rebuy software got stuck after 30 minutes and it became a de facto freezeout (they just returned the entry fee rather than sharing the guaranteed payout between those left) - now there you have a much stronger case from an ethical viewpoint.

And if you're as good as you claim, then what on earth are you worrying about such tiny bonuses for anyway?
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