Suited Aces in 6-max

[helpmeout]

Ok then remove the much, so its just better.

[naphand]

In fact A6 is not much better it is not even better than A5, as pointed out earlier in the thread and discussed in HFAP (?) A5 is ahead of A6.
Poor example, true for just about every other example like this though.

Peter Rus has also posted some figures regarding high card strength (hands like K7o compared to T9s etc.) though not specifically addressing this issue. I think Peter had some rough formula for calculating the equivalent value based on kicker, like J9 is as good as Q7 etc.

Suitedness and connectedness do add value to hands, even SH, I only have to look through my PT database to see that. It is frequently overestimated, particularly by the bad players.

[helpmeout]

How can A5s be better than A6s in shorthand?

Your straight possibility sucks, you will rarely have odds to chase your gutshot.

If you had 4-5 people seeing the flop then yeah A5s is marginally better, this is shorthand though and many pots are HU after the flop.

Suitedness and connectedness value increases when there are more players in the pot.

Many people overvalue these hands and use them to steal the blinds. Axs is great for steals but hands like 98s are trash.

[helpmeout]

The straight possibilty from the lower Aces is no way as valuable as kicker strength especially in shorthand.

A6s crushes A2s, even A6o is better.

[helpmeout]

Dont play this trash UTG.

I might raise A7s UTG+1 at the right table but the rest are easy folds.

[kiddo]

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Dont play this trash UTG.

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A lot of you in this thread are saying things like: "Dont play the trash!"

Well, have you tried?

I almost always (95-85%) raise Axs UTG and UTG+1 and I win with them. Last 40K at 10/20SH I have won 0.35BB/hand with A7s-A2s raising first in UTG or UTG+1. I played them the same at 5/10 and won with them there 2.

U are underestimating the suitedness and overestimating the fact that u sometimes will be dominated. Also, u will make some nice pots hitting low pair or 2pair against someone 3betting his AK never thinking u play a "trashand" like A5s UTG.

My VP$IP is 21% and RPF% 14%.

[krishanleong]

I'm a little suprised that AXs is playable from EP shorthanded. I'll try and add those hands in once I get comfy and see what happens.

Krishan

[Peter_rus]

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I'm a little suprised that AXs is playable from EP shorthanded. I'll try and add those hands in once I get comfy and see what happens.


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Kiddo is just a fan of suited aces, i think you must be a fan of them too to make them so high +ev (+0.35BB/100)[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[kiddo]

Guess I am a fan of Axs.

120K at 5/10 and I have won 0.21BB/hand with them UTG and UTG+1. If I had folded A2s and A3s it would have been 0.4BB/hand. So I guess folding A2s and A3s UTG is ok. Rest are, if not monsters so slightly EV+

This year I would have been $2K poorer if i folded A7s-A2s UTG and UTG+1

You should try playing a little more of them, its not like I am a genius postflop.

[helpmeout]

Why do you think they are profitable?

Is it because most people wont 3bet ATo KJo 77 etc so most times only BB will call?

Do you raise A8o and A7o UTG as well or do you expect that whenever someone does 3bet you you will be outkicked so you want to be suited?