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#1
09-24-2005, 08:29 PM
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87s UTG (mark seif)
i watched mark seif play this hand in the AP 50/100 game. He played it super weird and i want thoughts on this line.
4 handed Hero has 8c7c UTG. SB here is too loose and far too passive BB here is a TAG Hero raises, Button folds, both blinds call Flop As5hKs Checked around Turn Jd Checked to Hero who bets, both players fold. He clicks "show" and gives off his bluff. Seif is way better than me but i can't see why he didn't bet that flop? What does that accomplish--it's like the perfect board? it should be obvious to both players that seif would have bet any pair on the flop there so he should call with any piece. 
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#2
09-24-2005, 08:37 PM
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Re: 87s UTG (mark seif)
Id say this guy=n00b.
Only reason I can see not to bet the flop is because they will put him on a monster and fold. But its not like they will fold an A or K, and they woulda 3bet PF with a PP>7. So I dont see any point in making this play other than to avoid a CR bluff on the flop.
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#5
09-24-2005, 09:09 PM
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Re: 87s UTG (mark seif)
The only thing I can think of, is that the flop check could be an attempt to represent a monster, even though AK/AA/KK should still bet here. I think this is better HU though on something like a KK5 flop. He could also have checked the flop thinking it was likely that someone had something and he was done w/the hand, but when both players checked again on the turn, he decided to take a shot at the pot. Both somewhat weak reasons but they're possible.
Baron: off topic but I logged into absolute the other day to cashout some rakeback payment and checked out the 50/100 game and saw you sitting there, were you actually playing that game?
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#7
09-24-2005, 09:18 PM
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Re: 87s UTG (mark seif)
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Baron: off topic but I logged into absolute the other day to cashout some rakeback payment and checked out the 50/100 game and saw you sitting there, were you actually playing that game? [/ QUOTE ] no, i definitely wasn't playing in it. probably just sitting down because i was bored. sometimes when my fish go up there its tempting but i show restraint
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#8
09-24-2005, 10:57 PM
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Re: 87s UTG (mark seif)
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His line is awful. [/ QUOTE ] I can see how it would seem awful to anyone who automatically bets 100% of the time on the flop when they raise preflop.
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#10
09-24-2005, 11:52 PM
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Re: 87s UTG (mark seif)
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[ QUOTE ] His line is awful. [/ QUOTE ] I can see how it would seem awful to anyone who automatically bets 100% of the time on the flop when they raise preflop. [/ QUOTE ] It seems awful because it is awful. 1: On the flop, he only has to take the pot down 1/7 times with a bet to make betting correct. On the turn, he has to win 1/4 times and he is more likely to be called by any pair . 2: Bluffing flops like this increases his EV when he has a pair of aces or kings or better. 3: Checking the flop encourages SB/BB to take a shot at the pot on the turn.
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