Can't resist, #2

[Bartholow]

I'm more of a high stud player in general, so here's one of those. Maybe I should just do one of each a day...

Seat 5 was non-regular and seemed a bit loose. Does anyone just muck on 3rd rather than raising? What do you think of the check on 4th? Should I have bet 7th? Would you call if opponent bets on 7th?

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20/40 7 Card Stud -- Hand Converter

Third Street
Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]_____folds
Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]_____calls_____calls
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]_____completes
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]_____calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]_____folds
Seat 7: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]_____folds
Seat 8: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]_____brings-in_____folds

Fourth Street
Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]_____checks
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]_____checks
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]_____checks

Fifth Street
Seat 2: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]_____checks_____folds
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]_____bets
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]_____calls

Sixth Street
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]_____bets
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx _____calls

River
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]_____checks
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx


I'm going to completely withold results on this one.

[Roland]

I like it.
Two things make me want to raise on 3rd – spades are very dead, and queens are duplicated. I have a really hard time putting seat 2 on a hand though. 5A5 seems possible, which is partly why I like the check on 4th I guess. Also, you keep the pot small in case things turn ugly on 5th; you probably don’t have a big equity edge here, but depending on what falls on 5th this might quickly gain some.
Once seat 2 checks on 5th you have a bet.
The river is a tough spot –I really don’t know.
Oh, I’m drunk, btw.

[Beavis68]

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I like it.
Two things make me want to raise on 3rd – spades are very dead, and queens are duplicated.


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Todd Brunson did the math that showed that with two Aces up, it was more likely that one of the players has a pair of aces than if just one player has aces showing.

If course, if one play has a K up, another a Q and another a J, the odds of one of those guys having a pair is better then if the up cards are K Q Q, but you shouldnt discount it too much.

[Bartholow]

Everyone always mention this, but doesn't mention that the pair while more common is a good deal weaker.

Wouldn't most of us advise a fold in this hand with a 9 raising, you have (Qx)Q and there is a king behind you? Especially if X is also duplicated on the table somewhere?

[Roland]

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Everyone always mention this, but doesn't mention that the pair while more common is a good deal weaker.

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Exactly. Also, even a loose-aggro type will think twice about re-raising you here with just a small pair in the hole or a 3-flush.
If you get called you have to go figure, but I think the times you catch the loose guy with 77Q or something make up for the times he was just passively calling with queens here, especially since a small pair with a duplicated kicker doesn’t do so well against a higher pair.

9c 9d 4d 189921 37.98 310075 62.02 4 0.00 0.380
7s 7c Qh 137806 27.56 362191 72.44 3 0.00 0.276
5s Ac 5d 172267 34.45 327728 65.55 5 0.00 0.345

9c 9d 4d 202102 40.42 297892 59.58 6 0.00 0.404
7s 7c Qh 156051 31.21 343940 68.79 9 0.00 0.312
5s 6d 5d 141836 28.37 358157 71.63 7 0.00 0.284

Here’s what Bart meantioned. Semi-dead Queens aren’t that great:

9c 9d 4d 165101 33.02 334887 66.98 12 0.00 0.330
7s Qc Qh 186430 37.29 313568 62.71 2 0.00 0.373
5s 6d 5d 148455 29.69 351531 70.31 14 0.00 0.297

Or, if the guy with the 5 fold:

9c 9d 4d 214788 42.96 285212 57.04 0 0.00 0.430
7s Qc Qh 285212 57.04 214788 42.96 0 0.00 0.570

[Michael Emery]

I think it was played fine on your end. The only interesting street that I can see in this hand is the river. Against an unknown I kinda prefer just betting myself, but its very close and you cant go wrong with the check-call mode.

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Would you call if opponent bets on 7th?


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Against a "bit too loose non-regular" who's done nothing but call the whole way, Hell yes. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Mike Emery

[Bartholow]

I guess I didn't mention this in the original post, but I think this guy was probably pretty passive too. I hate when I bet the river and get called by two better pair.

[BeerMoney]

I', m dunk. I remember when you were a stud player/

I bet roland does too. I bet bart does as well.

Mike why do you hate me? You are a sick stud player.

I bet andyb fears u asa stu d player.


Tankesd


STud forun rules.

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[Michael Emery]

[ QUOTE ]

I', m dunk. I remember when you were a stud player/

I bet roland does too. I bet bart does as well.

Mike why do you hate me? You are a sick stud player.

I bet andyb fears u asa stu d player.


Tankesd


STud forun rules.

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[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I dont think I've ever laughed so hard reading a post. Seriously, you just want me back at a stud table with you so I can live up to that "donater" nickname you gave me. Haven't you won enough money off of me overall, Beer? Aren't you buying a brand new house in Taiwan courtesy of my bad play? Times change, its time to find a new favorite fish. Gone are the good old days of great stud games and me nailing RichBich. Man did she like the cawk. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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[Andy B]

Taiwan, Thailand, Ticonderoga, who can keep track of these things?