QT suited, raised and reraised behind me

Notorious G.O.B. · #1 06-14-2005, 06:20 AM

Who calls the two bets cold preflop here, after limping? I probably should have, I guess, I just thought I was pretty much dead beyond making a straight or flush. Button had AQ, MP3 had pocket fives.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button caps, SB calls, BB calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (21 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB folds, MP3 calls, CO 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, SB folds, MP3 raises, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (22.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP3 bets, CO folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Petteri · #2 06-14-2005, 06:24 AM

Unless table is very loose-passive limping with QTs from UTG+1 is questinable play. Folding to 3-bet is correct play.

toss · #3 06-14-2005, 06:39 AM

Limping QTs is perfectly fine if the table is loose. Folding to the 3-bet is only correct if you're sure its going to be less than 4 to the flop.

aK13 · #4 06-14-2005, 06:53 AM

I think folding when it comes back around to you is awful.

Sinnister · #5 06-14-2005, 03:48 PM

SSH starting requirements in tight games say any 2 suited cards ten or higher and whenever i am raised holding em i always feel queeze. Then I see you guy ssyaing playing it is questionable, I am confused.

Sifmole · #6 06-14-2005, 03:52 PM

The statement that playing QTs UTG+1 was "questionable" is well "questionable" in itself. If you aren't willing to play these kinds of cards you are probably playing a bit too tight.

Now whether to call 2 more when it comes back to you -- that is a whole 'nother discussion.

mute · #7 06-14-2005, 06:53 AM

You are getting 10:2 on your call, which I think is enough. It could get capped behind you, but on average one of the limpers will probably call as well, which would make your odds 16:3.

I call.

EDIT: BTW if buttons AQ wasn't suited remember to make a note.

Sinnister · #8 06-14-2005, 03:54 PM

When its raised and reraised behind u u should treat it as a cold call so ive read.

SeaEagle · #9 06-14-2005, 04:02 PM

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When its raised and reraised behind u u should treat it as a cold call so ive read.

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This is probably not bad advice.

More specifically, hands loose their high-card value. AJo would be an easy fold in this situation. A hand like QTs keeps a lot of its value because it's a strong drawing hand and a fold isn't so clear cut, even though you wouldn't typically cold call 2 bets with it.

jskills · #10 06-14-2005, 09:17 AM

Easy fold.