Are you ever going to bet?

kurosh · #1 11-16-2005, 07:52 AM

3/6 I have A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the BB. Unknown raises in UTG+1. Folded around to me and I call.

Flop 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
check check

Turn Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
check check

River A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
check check

Bet/fold the turn maybe?

doppler · #2 11-16-2005, 07:55 AM

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Bet/fold the turn maybe?

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That´s probably what I would do.

Roy6 · #3 11-16-2005, 08:04 AM

So all I have to do against you is to raise preflop, check the flop and bet the turn and if you don't have the nuts you'll fold.

kurosh · #4 11-16-2005, 08:11 AM

Hand ranges... that queen is a horrible card for me. It puts a lot of hands ahead of me. I can't think of a good line here because the check behind is so odd. I don't like any of my options.

Roy6 · #5 11-16-2005, 08:15 AM

I couldn't find any hand that 1/ was worse than yours on flop + 2/ doesn't bet flop + 3/improved on the turn

kurosh · #6 11-16-2005, 08:23 AM

Who knows what he has on the flop? He should be betting anything. The queen hits a large amount of PF raising hands.

oreogod · #7 11-16-2005, 08:32 AM

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I couldn't find any hand that 1/ was worse than yours on flop + 2/ doesn't bet flop + 3/improved on the turn

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What Kurosh is basically trying to say is about 90-95 percent of the time this flop is getting autobet so when someone checks behind and then u bet turn and they raise your turn bet, usually thats bad bad news...because most of the time, when they take that line your top or mid-pair is usually no good.

Roy6 · #8 11-16-2005, 08:40 AM

Checking this flop as PFR if you have a good hand is retarded play IMO.
FWIW, I saw these checking lines with 22, and A4 hands on this kind of flop.

oreogod · #9 11-16-2005, 08:56 AM

okay but you play poker a good amount right? Have u never seen this move before, imo its kind of popular with unknowns/weak players...where they have AA-QQ or even AK, AQ (flop top pair or trips), check behind on the flop hoping u bet so they can raise the turn.

Almost anytime an unknown does this, and raises the turn your hand is no good. No one said it was logical. (this is a decent move sometimes but they will do it on draw heavy flops, which is retarded)

Trix · #10 11-16-2005, 10:01 AM

Bet-fold turn seems good. He is either strong and raise or weak and call or fold. I dont think the average guy at 3/6 will raise you very often here without having you beat pretty bad.