Preflop 66

[jrz1972]

To make a coldcall like this (the first one), you need the table to be loose *and* passive. If youre going to get stuck for a lot of bets to see the flop, you should be folding in the first place.

Notice that the second coldcall is automatic, getting 6:1. However, you got a very bad deal overall. I think you ended up getting 3:1 on your decision to play this hand, which is very poor considering how rarely you'll win. (I may have missed a bet someplace, but it looks like you're putting 4 bets into a 12 bet pot).

Fold this next time.

[nomadtla]

I would probably let it go to UTG raise (but I'm a stone in EP) there's still many to act behind you. Once you've made the call though, calling the cap isn't terible, you'll get loads of action if you hit your set. If you don't hit your set run like a bear is chasing you. Even if you do hit your set you gotta worry about other sets with bigger PP's thus why I drop 66 in that kind of position to UTG raise.

[aron]

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You're correct. The table was loose though, so that's why I was using that chart.

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I would advise you to start using the tight chart instead. I've never seen a table having 6-8 callers PF on average.

Guess it might happen live and maybe on-line too, but thats a rare occasion.

-aron

[nomadtla]

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Lee Jones says to fold the first one. SSH says to call it, if the table is loose.

[/ QUOTE ] What? Where does SSH say to cold call a UTG raise with 66? Fold this like 95% of the time unless you KNOW you will have a 5 way pot or more.

*I see it's on the loose chart. Use the tight one instead.

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You're correct. The table was loose though, so that's why I was using that chart. They do mention in the section on small pairs that you should only cold call these when you're almost certain that it will be a 5-handed pot. At the time, I had completely forgotten about that.

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I play UB .25/.50 as well, and I've rarely seen a table that's loose enough to really make SSH's loose chart profitable. Now from what I've seen in hand post, party has some of those tables. I don't know if UB is better play or just filled with people who have read Phil Helmouths "supertight is right" begining and intermediate chapters on limit hold-em (can mock them since I'm a recovering PH junkie myself). Still on most UB tables I use tight chart. Either way I think a UTG raise deserves respect, esspescially with no reads, even with loose reads I let them have their fun 66 is a much more a limper from here, and sometimes I wouldn't even do that.

[JunkHead]

The preflop charts define YOUR playing style, not the tables. I'm a beginner myself, and during the learning process I've decided to stick with the Tight chart, as it keeps you clear of those harder post-flop decisions.

JunkHead

[nomadtla]

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The preflop charts define YOUR playing style, not the tables. I'm a beginner myself, and during the learning process I've decided to stick with the Tight chart, as it keeps you clear of those harder post-flop decisions.

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very good point!

[MegumiAmano]

Yeah, I was an idiot. I memorized the loose charts from both books, but somehow managed to miss the 40-point bold font "6-8 on average to flop" definition for a loose game.

I'll try the tight chart now and see how that goes.

Thank you to everyone for the advice.