Big pot poker

[Duerig]

I don't post hands here very often but I think I'm going to try to put up 1 / week from now on. Hope this one is interesting.

Reads: Besides the pf raiser, this table is _very_ loose passive. The pf raiser is tight aggressive.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

I thought the pf call was ok with my BB discount. Is this a mistake?

Flop: (12.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>

What's your line here, and why?

Check and see what happens.

[silkyslim]

bet out flop, UTG might raise with his overs and you can face the field with 2 cold.

Normally I'd bet, but in this case check: so many limpers that one makes a straight. I mean, for sure. You're hand is not that strong yet. You (I) want to see the turn as cheaply as possible, so why bet and call a raise, when you can just check and call a bet.

[flo]

To protect the hand?

[flo]

I like the pf call.
I bet out on this flop. TPGK + BDFD is vulnerable, i want to protect my hand here. Maybe the pf raiser raises and it's going to be HU.
Is that reasoning correct? Protecting the hand, limiting the field?

I don't think it's you who should protect the hand, rather the pf raiser who should protect his. So he's gonna raise. The turn will tell you whether you're strong enough or not. Why not figuring that out for less money?

There's already 12 bets in the pot. Leading out with a bet will give people 13:1 and greater odds. So any draw with more than 3 outs will call here. In other words, betting here will not protect your hand.

If you want to protect your hand, check to the PF raiser and raise him. That'll give people 7.5:1 odds on their call, which might eliminate gutshots and other weak draws - although you never know with these people.

[Watain]

Deleted.

Flawed logic...

[MATT111]

The PF-raise came from early position so going for the c/r is probably no good. Bet out - hope the PF-raiser raises again. In this case i`d reraise to punish drawing hands.
Preflop: easy call.