AK in BB vs raise from chip leader

okay this is my 1st post on this forum, i mostly just browse, but i have a problem i havent seen an answer for so far.

Situation is 30 left out of 584 £10+£1 buy-in.

okay, the problem hand itself is in conjunction with the previous hands, so ill post where it all started from hand by hand

hand 1:
Seat 1: Francisod (28180 in chips) [HERO]
Seat 4: Chessman (26372 in chips)
Seat 5: c16ung (41357.50 in chips)
Seat 6: leeds utd (22915 in chips)
Seat 7: Solosix (15488 in chips)
Seat 8: dirt-box (104870 in chips)
Seat 9: Swifty73 (23850 in chips)
Seat 10: Jantor (17578.50 in chips)

Blinds and antes at 800/1600/200. i am in 6th position on currently 8 handed table. 'leeds utd' acts first opening with a raise to 3200. everyone folds to me. i have AK, and decide to push ( i have seen him fold to similar before). he thinks and says 'im not going to be bullied', he calls with AQ. he flops a Q and wins the pot.

hand 2:
Seat 1: Francisod (5265 in chips)
Seat 4: Chessman (25372 in chips)
Seat 5: c16ung (39557.50 in chips)
Seat 6: leeds utd (49430 in chips)
Seat 7: Solosix (15288 in chips)
Seat 8: dirt-box (104670 in chips)
Seat 9: Swifty73 (23650 in chips)
Seat 10: Jantor (17378.50 in chips)

Blinds and antes increase 1200/2400/300. i am down to 5000. i hold A6 but am faced with raise and re-raise all-in infront of me. i pass.

hand 3:
Seat 1: Francisod (4965 in chips)
Seat 4: Chessman (25072 in chips)
Seat 5: c16ung (38057.50 in chips)
Seat 6: leeds utd (46730 in chips)
Seat 8: dirt-box (104370 in chips)
Seat 9: Swifty73 (23350 in chips)
Seat 10: Jantor (38066.50 in chips)

blinds and antes same as above. i am dealt A3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] swifty and janitor fold to me, i push, pick up blinds and antes.

hand 4:
Seat 1: Francisod (12630 in chips)
Seat 4: Chessman (24772 in chips)
Seat 5: c16ung (37757.50 in chips)
Seat 6: leeds utd (45230 in chips)
Seat 8: dirt-box (99405 in chips)
Seat 9: Swifty73 (23050 in chips)
Seat 10: Jantor (37766.50 in chips)

Blinds antes remain the same. i am dealt j6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], jantor folds, i push again and pick up the blinds and antes.

hand 5:
Seat 1: Francisod (18030 in chips)
Seat 4: Chessman (24472 in chips)
Seat 5: c16ung (37457.50 in chips)
Seat 6: leeds utd (44930 in chips)
Seat 8: dirt-box (97905 in chips)
Seat 9: Swifty73 (20350 in chips)
Seat 10: Jantor (37466.50 in chips)

blinds and antes remain the same. i pick up A7 and am first to act. i once again move all in, this time swifty pushes in also behind me, everyone else folds. he shows Q10. i flop a pair of aces and they hold up. i am now back on 39960.

hand 6:
Seat 1: Francisod (39960 in chips)
Seat 4: Chessman (24172 in chips)
Seat 5: c16ung (37157.50 in chips)
Seat 6: leeds utd (44630 in chips)
Seat 8: dirt-box (97605 in chips)
Seat 9: Swifty73 (2320 in chips)
Seat 10: Jantor (34766.50 in chips)

blinds and antes 1200/2400/300 still. i am in the BB and am dealt AK. first 3 to act fold, however the huge chipleader 'dirt-box'(97605) elects to raise to 12000. swifty and janitor fold to me the BB.

i am at this point 4th out of the remaining 24 players. the only prizes worth the effort are the top 3 spots.

what is the best course of action here, should i tangle with the chipleader?

do i continue my rush and push again?
do i simply call (with the intention of a stop and go)?
do i simply pass (not likely)?


will post what actaully happened shortly.

[gobboboy]

I would call and see a flop, if it is favorable I would push. Depends on his stats, really. If he seems to be TAG I may push preflop but if he is laggy I would see if you hit the flop.

[nath]

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I would call and see a flop, if it is favorable I would push. Depends on his stats, really. If he seems to be TAG I may push preflop but if he is laggy I would see if you hit the flop.

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Why? If he's LAGgy he's much more likely to have opened with a mediocre hand, and may call with a dominated one. No question I'm all in if he's LAG.

I think it's either fold or reraise all-in, and to be honest I think your frequent pushing has given you a great image for a play like this-- you may get another call from AQ.

What I'm interested in is what a 5x BB raise means from this guy. Does he vary his raises in a way that you can correlate to hands? Is he doing this with a monster or with a mediocre hand in hopes people go away? Does he do it with 99-JJ to discourage action? And what would he do in the face of a reraise?

Absent that information moving in is almost certainly the right play.

[reecelights]

Seems like

1) he probably doesn't want a call here and is trying to discourage a push from you (AQ, AJ, 88-44) or
2) he wants to eliminate other players and give you the opportunity to push (AA-99)

I think you're probably in a coin flip situation with someone who can knock you out. Even if you're ahead, at best it's 70-30 and you're probably gonna get a spite call.

I might lay this down this orbit.

[stevepa]

Fold? Why would you fold? Even if he's going to call every single time and his range is what you said AA-44, AQ, AJ, you're still 51-49 ahead with some dead money in there. Add the times he folds whatever random hand he's raised with or calls with other dominated hands (medium aces, big kings) and folding is absurd.

I would definitely push. Calling and pushing the flop may be alright too but I don't like the idea of letting his random steal hands have a free chance to outflop you.


Regardless, hope it worked out for you,
Steve

okay well here's what actually happened:

in the short time i had between doubling up and facing this decision my thoughts were along the lines of - my M is about 7, so although i am currently 4th i am by no means assured of getting to the final table with a shot at winning the thing. i have not too much info on the chipleader as the table only formed a few hands before my short stack antics ( i was breifly on a table with him earlier, he had pushed all in against someone over half his size with 89 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], the opponent showed pocket Qs, he made a runner runner straight flush!). i saw this raise as an attempt to wrestle momentum back from me to the big stack, and also the fact that if i lay this down im going to have to be willing to let my blind get pounded on each orbit by him in future. so handswise i put him on a couple of high cards - which i dominate - or possibly a small pair (less likely).
so as the timer runs down... i push.

dealt to Francisod [Kd Ah]
Chessman: folds
c16ung: folds
leeds utd: folds
dirt-box: raises to 12000
Swifty73: folds
Jantor: folds
Francisod: raises to 39660 and is all-in
dirt-box: calls 27660
----- FLOP ----- [Ts 9c 8d]
----- TURN ----- [Ts 9c 8d][6d]
----- RIVER ----- [Ts 9c 8d 6d][3d]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Francisod: shows [Kd Ah] (High Card Ace)
dirt-box: shows [Ad Jd] (A Flush, Ace high)
dirt-box collected 82620 from Main pot

after which a couple of the guys on the table called me an idiot for going all in agaisnt the chipleader, and admonished me for not waiting until the move didnt put me out in 24th. i argued with them saying that if that was their attitude then im sure theyve made plenty of final tables but never won any, which really annoyed them! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] i left the table. but it got me thinking - hence the post.

regardless of the chipleader's holding should i have made the move?

i say good move, and an unfortunate outcome.

[Dave D]

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i say good move, and an unfortunate outcome.

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