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Old 11-16-2005, 12:17 AM
mlagoo mlagoo is offline
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Default Re: KK early in Super Monday

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that's why the pro's say...."i might have a better spot later on" even if they're ahead, it might be not considerable, and a better spot could arise.

no one can read the future hands to be dealt, but if you have pckt 10's and are raised all-in by AJ, you might muck them thinking AJ might make the same play later down the road when you have AK.....



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Old 11-16-2005, 12:48 AM
woodguy woodguy is offline
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Default Re: KK early in Super Monday

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"It may seem that giving up a positive EV gamble can never be right. However, even from a purely mathematical standpoint, you sometimes should."

-TPFAP pg 20

I don't want to quote too much of his work for fear that doing so might not go over too well here, but basically he says that one must pass up a slightly +EV opportunity if taking it means that you're passing up an even bigger future +EV opportunity should you lose. And since you can't buy back into a tourney, you most definitely are risking passing up future opportunities. Therefore, survival is more important than simply jumping at every +EV opportunity.

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Ok, then reconcile this statement on page 25 of TPFAP


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The typical tournament player should not ever turn down any situation with the smallest of edges. You could even argue that he should gamble in situations where he has slightly the worst of it. But that is not the way the vast majority of mediocre tournament players operate.


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Old 11-16-2005, 10:02 PM
jwvdcw jwvdcw is offline
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Default Re: KK early in Super Monday

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"It may seem that giving up a positive EV gamble can never be right. However, even from a purely mathematical standpoint, you sometimes should."

-TPFAP pg 20

I don't want to quote too much of his work for fear that doing so might not go over too well here, but basically he says that one must pass up a slightly +EV opportunity if taking it means that you're passing up an even bigger future +EV opportunity should you lose. And since you can't buy back into a tourney, you most definitely are risking passing up future opportunities. Therefore, survival is more important than simply jumping at every +EV opportunity.

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Ok, then reconcile this statement on page 25 of TPFAP


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The typical tournament player should not ever turn down any situation with the smallest of edges. You could even argue that he should gamble in situations where he has slightly the worst of it. But that is not the way the vast majority of mediocre tournament players operate.


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Regards,
Woodguy

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note the word "mediocre". Slansky is clearly making a distinction between how very good players should play and how average or bad players should play. Average players should welcome small edges. Better players should wait for better opportunities.

I am operating under the assumption that all of us here are either in the top 5% skillwise of the entrants in a tourney like this or that we are striving to attain this level of play. Therefore, I use Slanksky's advice towards the better players.
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