KJ SUITED.

lastsamurai · #1 08-10-2005, 05:16 AM

kj suited on the button with blinds 400-800 w/ 3200 left.
27 players left, top 9 get paid.

Hero limps in with 800,
BB Goes all in with 2100.

Easy fold or call?

#2 08-10-2005, 05:50 AM

i think its an easy fold. Save your money for better times to get into the pot.

#3 08-10-2005, 05:50 AM

Easy fold. An ace beats you at this point. You get to a few more hands before the blinds reach you.

lastsamurai · #4 08-10-2005, 05:56 AM

Well.. My read was middle pocket pair. 77, 88 , 99.

He ended up having 77.

Mooski · #5 08-10-2005, 06:22 AM

So does that mean you went in with him and saw the showdown? Did you catch a card?

lastsamurai · #6 08-10-2005, 06:31 AM

Well if i did catch i wouldnt be posting this on the beginners board! All rags... Looking back in retrospect i should of raised 3x big blind or go all in to make him think.

pzhon · #7 08-10-2005, 06:46 AM

You should have moved in instead of limping. You should do this with much weaker hands, too.

Given that you limped, you have an easy call. I'll assume the small blind folded and that the big blind has an additional 2100, not 2100 total, although these were not clear from your post. In that case, you are risking 2100 to gain 4100, so your pot odds are great. You only need to win about 34% of the time to justify calling. You should win over 40% of the time against the range of hands the BB could have.

I don't know why other people are saying to fold.

#8 08-10-2005, 10:52 AM

pot odds are not as important in tournaments because you have to factor in the idea of getting knocked out or crippled in a tournament. You should give up a hand with a minor edge, in turn for one with a large edge. 6% edge to me ins't worth it.

Jeffage · #9 08-10-2005, 11:04 AM

Why limp in the first place? It's an easy all in when you only have 4 BBs left.

Jeff

AKQJ10 · #10 08-10-2005, 11:05 AM

Very good point. While it's absolutely correct (see Sklansky's TPFAP), I'd make a couple of interrelated counterpoints:

<ul type="square">[*]6% is a pretty decent edge. To offset it you'd need probably at least a few hundred hands as the better player. (Sklansky's book is mostly about long tournaments where you're among the best players, hence your edge will have time to show.)[*]The opportunity cost of getting knocked out of a sit-and-go is virtually nil; you just sign back up for the next one. In the world of $10K B&M tournaments, Sklansky mentions that you have to figure whether you have the opportunity to sit in a profitable sidegame. But in the online world, you just find another tournament. Although the OP didn't specify, I'm just guessing WSOP-style tournaments aren't his frame of reference.[/list]
I like this point-counterpoint-countercounterpoint stuff. Makes me feel like I'm really learning a lot.