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06-09-2005, 01:38 PM
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Question about old geezer calling stations
OK, I have a question on how to deal with all these old farts in AC that just sit and call and never bet or anything like that. Last weekend, I was playing at the Borgata in AC and played $4-$8 Hold-Em. I was playing a hand where I was the big blind and I had Ace-Queen of [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Everyone folded up to the button( old guy) who called as did the small blind. I raised to $8, and the old guy called and SB folded. So its head to head. The flop comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet, old guy calls. The turn was a 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], I bet again and the old guy calls again. So the river comes up and its 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I bet again and the geezer calls and turns over pocket kings. Should I have played this hand differently? Even if he had raised before the flop, I would have re-raised him anyway. Either way, I most likely would have played the hand to the end unless he had check raised me. But he was just a calling station. And I notice this happens a lot with these old guys. I don't mind the losing part, it just pisses me off when you go up against someone that is just bored and throwing chips in. Normally with these old guys, there are 3 or 4 at a table so you know not to play the hand unless you have a monster. But like I said, it was heads up and I liked my chances. 
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#2
06-09-2005, 02:16 PM
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Re: Question about old geezer calling stations
unless you have a strong read play str8 foward. If you check and he bets, whats your action? do you call only? do you raise?
You did fine, and you'll be happy when he pays you off on your next big hand cause he catches a 7 on a "harmless" board
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06-09-2005, 02:37 PM
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Re: Question about old geezer calling stations
The reason why it is good to play against players like this is that when the situation is reversed you are going to extract more from him than he has from you.
Rinse and repeat ten thousand times and you are a huge winner against this guy and all his type.
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#5
06-09-2005, 02:37 PM
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Re: Question about old geezer calling stations
his play is +EV for you because you are losing less than you would against someone who was playing correctly.
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#6
06-09-2005, 02:43 PM
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Re: Question about old geezer calling stations
[ QUOTE ]
OK, I have a question on how to deal with all these old farts in AC that just sit and call and never bet or anything like that. Last weekend, I was playing at the Borgata in AC and played $4-$8 Hold-Em. I was playing a hand where I was the big blind and I had Ace-Queen of [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Everyone folded up to the button( old guy) who called as did the small blind. I raised to $8, and the old guy called and SB folded. So its head to head. The flop comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet, old guy calls. The turn was a 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], I bet again and the old guy calls again. So the river comes up and its 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I bet again and the geezer calls and turns over pocket kings. Should I have played this hand differently? Even if he had raised before the flop, I would have re-raised him anyway. Either way, I most likely would have played the hand to the end unless he had check raised me. But he was just a calling station. And I notice this happens a lot with these old guys. I don't mind the losing part, it just pisses me off when you go up against someone that is just bored and throwing chips in. Normally with these old guys, there are 3 or 4 at a table so you know not to play the hand unless you have a monster. But like I said, it was heads up and I liked my chances. [/ QUOTE ] Shouldn't you be happy he saved you money by playing KK as poorly as he did?
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#7
06-09-2005, 02:44 PM
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Re: Question about old geezer calling stations
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The reason why it is good to play against players like this is that when the situation is reversed you are going to extract more from him than he has from you. Rinse and repeat ten thousand times and you are a huge winner against this guy and all his type. [/ QUOTE ] Excellent point. Never really thought of it that way. I guess that's because it's easier to remember the hands you lose than the ones you win.
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#8
06-09-2005, 02:46 PM
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Re: Question about old geezer calling stations
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] OK, I have a question on how to deal with all these old farts in AC that just sit and call and never bet or anything like that. Last weekend, I was playing at the Borgata in AC and played $4-$8 Hold-Em. I was playing a hand where I was the big blind and I had Ace-Queen of [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Everyone folded up to the button( old guy) who called as did the small blind. I raised to $8, and the old guy called and SB folded. So its head to head. The flop comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet, old guy calls. The turn was a 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], I bet again and the old guy calls again. So the river comes up and its 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I bet again and the geezer calls and turns over pocket kings. Should I have played this hand differently? Even if he had raised before the flop, I would have re-raised him anyway. Either way, I most likely would have played the hand to the end unless he had check raised me. But he was just a calling station. And I notice this happens a lot with these old guys. I don't mind the losing part, it just pisses me off when you go up against someone that is just bored and throwing chips in. Normally with these old guys, there are 3 or 4 at a table so you know not to play the hand unless you have a monster. But like I said, it was heads up and I liked my chances. [/ QUOTE ] Shouldn't you be happy he saved you money by playing KK as poorly as he did? [/ QUOTE ] Reminds me of Joe Tall's post about the fish. I don't understand how he can be ticked off at a guy who played so poorly he missed out on several bets.
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#9
06-09-2005, 02:46 PM
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Re: Question about old geezer calling stations
Shouldn't you be happy he saved you money by playing KK as poorly as he did? [/ QUOTE ] Yea, but that wasn't really my question. I am trying to get an idea of how to get a read of a calling station.
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#10
06-09-2005, 02:50 PM
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Re: Question about old geezer calling stations
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Shouldn't you be happy he saved you money by playing KK as poorly as he did? [/ QUOTE ] Yea, but that wasn't really my question. I am trying to get an idea of how to get a read of a calling station. [/ QUOTE ] You really can't. They play their garbage the same way they play their monsters. Amazing how he never raised once. Just like when he calls down with bottom pair ... I think they take great pleasure in getting other people to do the betting for them while at the same time allowing themselves the solace of telling themselves they weren't the ones causing the money to go in when they lose. Read "the Psychology of Poker" (if you already haven't) to get a better feel for makes these types tick ...
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