B&M rule question

[schwza]

i'm posting this here b/c i think you guys are the most likely to understand the question. supposed you're in a situation like this:

hero BB (8k)
SB (1 chip)
utg (1k)
button (1k)

button and utg fold, and the SB is already a-i. if you wanted to fold and preserve the bubble, could you? you couldn't do it online, but if you just winged your cards into the muck as soon as the button folded, what could they do about it?

[OrcaDK]

If you want to keep playing with these guys, you should probably just leet it go to showdown. I have no idea as to whether you can actually muck it.

[Big Limpin']

i think its a "hard and fast" B/M rule that once your cards hit the muck pile, they are gone, gone, gone.
You'd definately get some mean looks though. But ultimately i believe that, yes, you could muck.

[KenProspero]

I think I read something in the MTT forum once where a person was forced to bet in a situation where the floor manager determined that the only reason not to rationally bet was collusion. (The poster was upset because it cost him money).

In this case, where you hope to bully the small stacks for another hand or two, I suppose you could argue that the only rational move is to 'not bet' with anything. Having said this, I suppose the floor manager could require a bet, even if based on an incorrect assumption.

I've never seen this occur personally.

[Big Limpin']

wait, would you still get the sidepot (all less a buck of your BB)? You should, but i've known room managers who take a vendetta against you if you try to "bend the rules"

[skipperbob]

You pull this stunt in any B&M room I've ever been in and you'd better learn simple Russian verbs and kiss-your-ass goodbye....

[Irieguy]

This, and a thousand other angles are easy to shoot in a B&M casino.

The fact that you ask this question worries me, and puts you on a list I keep of certain 2+2ers.

Even if you just asked out of curiosity, it's a level of curiosity that some would consider.... unnatural.

Irieguy

[gumpzilla]

Why the sanctimonious tone? He was asking, as far as I can tell, for a rules clarification. People fold to preserve the bubble online with some frequency; I assume this isn't what's bothering you.

This reminds me of the threads not too long ago about Jerrod Ankenmann and his team of online MTT players who would consult about hands while in progress provided they weren't at the same table. Numerous people railed against them for violating "one player to a hand" rules despite the fact that no such rules exist for online play. Online and B&M are different games, and this is a legit question.

[Irieguy]

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Why the sanctimonious tone? He was asking, as far as I can tell, for a rules clarification. People fold to preserve the bubble online with some frequency; I assume this isn't what's bothering you.

This reminds me of the threads not too long ago about Jerrod Ankenmann and his team of online MTT players who would consult about hands while in progress provided they weren't at the same table. Numerous people railed against them for violating "one player to a hand" rules despite the fact that no such rules exist for online play. Online and B&M are different games, and this is a legit question.

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Sanctimony implies hypocrisy. It would never occur to me, or most people, to do this. So, I wasn't being sanctimonious.

The reason for the tone is that there is still a code of ethics and honor in cardrooms. When this code is bastardized by those who believe that the lack of an implicit rule against something is the same thing as a license to do that thing, it makes me sick. It has nothing to do with sanctimony or judgement... it is a visceral reaction.

It reminds me, also, of that incident with Jerrod Ankenmann that you mention. Jerrod is a nice enough guy, and obviously very smart. But it is precisely the fact that he doesn't even see why what he was doing was wrong that is worrisome.

If the concept of gamesmanship dies, gamesmen will become extinct. That is a bad thing in my opinion.

Irieguy

[schwza]

i can't tell if this post is funny, or earnest/weird.