JJ vs. 3 LAGs on monotone flop

SlantNGo · #1 04-23-2005, 06:38 PM

MP1 was LA-A, quite aggressive after the flop, but only about 8% PFR over 30 hands.
MP3 was LA-A, 35% PFR over 30 hands, not quite as aggressive as MP1 after the flop.
SB was LA-P, goes to the river way too much w/ weak draws, sees lots of showdowns w/ 2nd and 3rd best hands. Basically a fish who raises pre-flop more often.

Note: None of the 3 were maniacal. MP1 justs hit the raise button too often when they have a piece of the board. MP3 raises way too much preflop, but doesn't get into too many raising wars after the flop.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero caps, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (17 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP3 calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP3 raises, SB calls, Hero calls, MP1 3-bets, MP3 calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

I think I should fold on the turn here when it's 2 back to me. I had a lapse of attention (action at other table) and called thinking I was closing the action.

River: (24.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

My main question is what I should be doing on this flop.

no1super2001 · #2 04-23-2005, 08:02 PM

Check/muck the turn. I think there are too many ways you are beaten here, given you are only getting ~6 to 1.

I may be biased, too many beats taking JJ too far...

ArturiusX · #3 04-23-2005, 08:14 PM

So pot size is irrelovent in your decision?

Buckmulligan · #4 04-23-2005, 08:18 PM

Ya, I'm afraid that you are getting 3 beton the turn so would probably fold before calling the 2. I like the flop bet, though, as you may manage to get a guy with a pair of kings out of the pot.

SlantNGo · #5 04-24-2005, 01:07 AM

I'm getting about 8:1, facing a re-raise behind me. You think that's enough with the 1-card 3rd nut flush draw? I think that should have been an easy fold on the turn.

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dedmoney · #6 04-24-2005, 01:14 AM

you sdhould do what i do when i see the first jack and pray for a two so you don't have to play JJ. worst f;in starting hand ever. I honestly would have called pf and folded the raise. Been burned too many times with JJ to raise pf and then cap.

popeye18 · #7 04-24-2005, 01:52 AM

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you sdhould do what i do when i see the first jack and pray for a two so you don't have to play JJ. worst f;in starting hand ever. I honestly would have called pf and folded the raise. Been burned too many times with JJ to raise pf and then cap.

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This really is horrible advice. jacks are a premium starting hand and in almost all cases should be raised preflop.

deepsquat · #8 04-24-2005, 02:09 AM

I would fold the turn when two back to me.

I would also check/call the flop. I dont want to be paying 2+ bets to see the turn with this hand.

C-Dog · #9 04-24-2005, 05:22 AM

I think you played the flop fine, I would have folded the turn though, when it was 2 back to me. On the flop I would be more worried about the 2 cold callers though, then the raiser. The river check through is sure bizarre though.

C-Dog