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Old 11-15-2004, 10:44 PM
mikelow mikelow is offline
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Default a free card at the Bellagio

30-60 at the Bellagio. Hero has pocket kings and raises preflop. Six in the pot including both blinds. Flop is:

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Checked to hero who bets and is called in three places, including the big blind. Turn is:

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Checked around. River is:

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BB bets. Comments?
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:20 PM
JasonP530 JasonP530 is offline
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Default Re: a free card at the Bellagio

I think I am betting the turn and folding to a raise. You would hate to have someone make a free flush if noone has an Ace. In any event, you cant win if someone has an ace and it may prevent someone from taking a shot at you on the river and putting you in this tough spot.
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Old 11-15-2004, 11:40 PM
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Default Re: a free card at the Bellagio

if you're going to call here you've got to bet the turn. for what it's worth I think you're beat and would fold the river. I'd say you saved some bets
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Old 11-16-2004, 12:29 AM
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Default Re: a free card at the Bellagio

Doesn't checking the turn induce a bluff on the river? There are 4 cards BB could hold that you lose to, and pocket sixes. The pot is big. I call...
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Old 11-16-2004, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: a free card at the Bellagio

I would have bet and reraised if possible. Bawls to the wall. If he's got it, then he's got it.
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Old 11-16-2004, 02:17 AM
mike l. mike l. is offline
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Default Re: a free card at the Bellagio

"Bawls to the wall."

mason is just thrilled about the high level of discussion we have going on here, and i think this post so far is a great example.
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Old 11-16-2004, 02:18 AM
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Default Re: a free card at the Bellagio

Bet the turn. I know it's hard, but bet the turn. There are only 2 aces left in the deck. it's probably around a 50/50 that someone actually has one. I don't try and induce bluffs my checking the turn when it is multiway. Many cards can help other players that don't hold an ace.
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:09 PM
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Default results and thoughts

Hero called. BB (me) showed pocket sixes.

So was my flop call correct? I'm getting about 15 to 1 on it, and there was one player to act, who appeared unlikely to raise. With the implied odds, it was probably correct.

Should hero bet the turn? Now, you're supposed to bet with pocket jacks or tens so a king or queen doesn't get a free card. But there's a possibility of a smaller pocket pair also, and I think he should have get.

Should I go for a check-raise on the river?
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Old 11-17-2004, 02:34 AM
Michael Davis Michael Davis is offline
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Default Re: results and thoughts

A smaller pair isn't a big concern, and getting this hand out of the pot doesn't outweigh the times you are already slaughtered. A much more compelling reason to bet would be to get a flush draw to fold. Plus, by checking the turn, you make it more likely a small pocket pair will bet/call the river.

And yes, betting Js or Ts or KQ is far better than betting Ks here.

I don't think I agree with your flop call, either, but I'm a little sketchy on the details.

-Michael
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Old 11-17-2004, 02:43 AM
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Default Re: results and thoughts

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Checked to hero who bets and is called in three places, including the big blind


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So was my flop call correct? I'm getting about 15 to 1 on it, and there was one player to act, who appeared unlikely to raise. With the implied odds, it was probably correct.


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What flop call? You bet the flop?

This has got to go down as one of the worst descriptions of the events of a hand ever. Nothing against you, mike, but cmon buddy give us some info. What position were you? Did you raise limpers or were their cold-callers? What type of player is the BB?

It makes it so much harder to give any constructive thoughts.
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