suited and offsuited

[ccwhoelse?]

ok, i just wanted something cleared up.

i think the probability of getting an offsuit connector from 54o to JTo is 7.1%
the probability of flopping an oesd with an above connector is 8.3%

the probability of getting a suited connector 54s to JTs is 1.8%. the probability of flopping a flush or straight draw is about 20%.

isn't the first scenario worth seeing the flop cheaply for?

[BruceZ]

This post should answer your question. See the correction I made in the post below it too. This goes through a calculation for playing 2 suited cards, but the issue is the same. You are not getting the right odds in limit hold'em to call a full bet with these, even if you include implied odds. You certainly never have the pot odds, since even if you won automatically when you flop a draw, you can never have 11-1 odds before the flop except in the small blind. You need both flush and straight possibilities.