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Old 12-11-2005, 10:04 PM
Garland Garland is offline
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Default NL600...is this the overbet we\'re supposed to do?

Opponent stats:

VP$IP = 15.31 and Pre-flop Raise % = 3.51 over 1339 hands.

Garland

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UTG+1 ($573)
MP1 ($1089.75)
MP2 ($324.70)
MP3 ($385.30)
CO ($576)
Button ($221)
SB ($376)
BB ($573.35)
Garland ($598.05)

Preflop: Garland is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
Garland calls $6, UTG+1 calls $6, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($21) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Garland bets $14</font>, UTG+1 calls $14, BB folds.

Turn: ($49) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Garland checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Garland raises to $105</font>, UTG+1 calls $70.

River: ($259) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Garland bets $473.05 (All-In)</font>
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Old 12-11-2005, 10:05 PM
BobboFitos BobboFitos is offline
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Default Re: NL600...is this the overbet we\'re supposed to do?

check raise
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Old 12-11-2005, 10:14 PM
ClaytonN ClaytonN is offline
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Default Re: NL600...is this the overbet we\'re supposed to do?

hard to make a good read without any good notes on his post flop aggression. any ideas?
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Old 12-12-2005, 10:38 PM
Garland Garland is offline
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Default Results and thoughts...

I messed this up.

I initially put villain on a single 9. However my thinking is incorrect: His stats absolutely do not support him having any hand UTG with a single 9. Way too tight for it.

In addition, if he had a 9, he'd be sure to bet it on the river, where I raise all-in. If he has a busted draw with big cards, I give him a chance to bluff. The same results will happen if he happened to have JJ.

Bobbo got it right and nothing more needed to be said. I should have check-raised, clear as day.

Results: Villain thinks for a few seconds and folds.

Garland
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:06 PM
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Default Re: NL600...is this the overbet we\'re supposed to do?

I like the overbet at the river. Look like you are going to get pay off by a 9 most of the time. Hope you don't run into 99.
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:08 PM
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Default Re: Results and thoughts...

The hands that fold on the river also take a free showdown when offered.
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:10 PM
yvesaint yvesaint is offline
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Default Re: NL600...is this the overbet we\'re supposed to do?

i dont really see him having a 9 here a lot, unless he's "mixing it up" with T9 or 98 or something. does a value bet look bad here? if you check, he definitely checks behind Jx, but what if you bet like 100? he probably raises with a 9, and you get it in anyways, but will still call with AJ? no?

though when he flat calls your turn raise, hes got to have something. most likely a strong J to me.
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:20 PM
Bukem_ Bukem_ is offline
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Default Re: NL600...is this the overbet we\'re supposed to do?

Sometimes I bet $100 here. Pretty hard for a jack to fold, pretty tempting for a missed draw to bluff all in. Any nine pushes anyways.
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Old 12-13-2005, 01:12 AM
ninjia3x ninjia3x is offline
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Default Re: NL600...is this the overbet we\'re supposed to do?

Just wondering, can you see a 9 checking behind Garland? He doesn't have a whole lot to value bet here.
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Old 12-13-2005, 01:35 AM
scdavis0 scdavis0 is offline
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Default Re: NL600...is this the overbet we\'re supposed to do?

I'd check behind with a 9.. and I wouldn't call this huge overbet with a 9 either
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