I NEVER know what to do here...

[NiR]

and to add.. i also fold this preflop a lot of the times.

[splashpot]

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This is always a tricky spot.
A. folding pre flop would be a big mistake getting 5-1.

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I don't think so. Your stack is healthy and your hand is likely dominated. Why risk chips when you can wait for a better spot. I fold.

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stop calling, raise to see where your at, or fold and save the chips. calling is usually the worst option.

Steve

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Excellent advice!

I was helping a friend/student yesterday going over some HH's from the 5+1s and this something I kept repeating over and over.

If you are calling here you're probably calling in many similar situations, stop now and your results will improve.

[tomtemor]

I usually check-call the flop and bet out on the turn in these situations. I have no idea why I do it and if it's good or not, it's just something I do. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[FieryJustice]

If you just fold preflop, you save yourself a lot of trouble.

[Matt R.]

tomtemor,
I actually like this line, and will use it a lot in situations like this where I'm OOP and may have the best hand. It favors keeping the pot small, which is good with a marginal hand in short stacked sng's. Leading out on the flop is inviting villain to come over the top of you to "test" you and try to take it down. If he's aggressive, it's often bad to lead out IMO.

Edit: But.. in a sitiation like this where villain doesn't have too many chips to raise you with air to "test" you, it may be better to lead out as you can threaten a good chunk of his stack with a medium sized bet. So, my check/call, lead out on the turn line is very stack dependent and player dependent as well. I think it's reasonable in this case, but I wouldn't always do it, depending on how aggressive your opponent is.

I don't think calling pf is all that horrible, as long as hero knows how to play post-flop. But if he says he NEVER knows what to do, then yes, he should be folding. Also, at the low-buyins a minraise UTG will mean they have AA-QQ about 30% of the time, maybe more.

As for post flop, I think I check fold, the flop didn't hit me as favorably as I wanted to, I'm getting out.

[USCSigma1097]

I put villain on JJ or TT...Results???

Sigma

[Pudge714]

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I fold preflop and I don't know why it's "not an option". Your hand sucks, and you're out of position.

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Well put

[unfrgvn]

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hands like this seem to always get me in trouble. The line i lose for them sometimes allows me to win big ones picking off bluffs, but it also fucks me over alot too..



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