Am i not good to call here?25pl

[TWINUNO]

It might have been becuae i was drawn out on this guy last time to lose a big pot. OR some type of in the moment. This isnt something though i should keep practicing right?

***** Hand History for Game 2876177949 *****
$25 PL Omaha - Friday, November 11, 22:16:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 36722 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: DUTCH7777 ( $37.15 )
Seat 6: snapdotz ( $25.35 )
Seat 8: Frida83 ( $21.35 )
Seat 9: NackBallack ( $89.30 )
Seat 5: onthesnapvin ( $6.15 )
Seat 7: IGambleU ( $22.65 )
Seat 10: raelilu ( $27.85 )
Seat 3: Ihatebush111 ( $12.60 )
Seat 1: allabtthegam ( $20.80 )
Seat 4: Brookss14 ( $24.25 )
DUTCH7777 posts small blind [$0.10].
Ihatebush111 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to snapdotz [ Qs Kh Ks Qd ]
Brookss14 folds.
onthesnapvin folds.
snapdotz raises [$0.75].
IGambleU folds.
Frida83 folds.
NackBallack calls [$0.75].
raelilu calls [$0.75].
allabtthegam folds.
DUTCH7777 folds.
Ihatebush111 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, Qh, 7s ]
snapdotz checks.
NackBallack checks.
raelilu bets [$2].
snapdotz calls [$2].
NackBallack calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
snapdotz bets [$8.20].
>You have options at Table 36812 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36544 Table!.
NackBallack raises [$32.80].
raelilu is all-In [$25.10]
snapdotz is all-In [$14.40]

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** Dealing River ** [ As ]

NackBallack shows [ Ah, 8d, 7d, 5c ] a straight, four to eight.
raelilu shows [ 8s, 5s, 6d, 5h ] a flush, ace high.
snapdotz shows [ Qs, Kh, Ks, Qd ] a flush, ace high.
NackBallack wins $7.70 from side pot #2 with a straight, four to eight.
raelilu wins $5 from side pot #1 with a flush, ace high.
snapdotz wins $73.40 from the main pot with a flush, ace high with king kicker.


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[Filip]

I would checkraise the flop, but i dont mind the turn call.

[TheRempel]

First let's examine the pot odds. The main pot is $59 or so when you have to call your last $14.40 off. You're getting 4.02:1 on the call. If you assume they both have a made straight and that no one has the nut flush draw you will have up to eighteen outs (one queen, three sevens, three sixes, three fours plus the As, Js, Ts, 9s, 8s , 5s, 3s and 2s.) It is likely that a few of your pair cards and or spades are dead so let's assume you have fourteen outs just to be safe.

If they both have a straight, then we have twelve known cards. The four in your hand, the four on the board, and the four in their hands that will have made their straights. It is possible that one of them will have something like 5s 8s, but since we have already discounted some outs already we will still include those. This means of the fifty two cards in the deck, there are 52-12 = 40 unknown cards left that could come on the river.

Fourteen of those cards will help you, so 40-14 = 26 cards will not. In order to call here, you need to be gettting pot odds of at least 26/14 or 1.86:1. You are getting much better than that so there is no decision to make, call every time. You are very likely to be the favorite to win , and it is most certainly a +EV call (except on the rare occasion where someone else has the nut flush draw).

I don't mind your flop play since that board is fairly harmless.The only cards you can be worried about on the turn are a 3,5,6, 8 or A. I still prefer a raise here since your hand is hardly unbeatable and there are also cards that can come the can slow your opponents down. You also raised preflop so your opponents may push back at you with far worse hands assuming you have AA.

Be careful not to slowplay too often though, as there is not much place for it in PLO. You were fairly lucky here in that the turn card that made someone else's hand opened up a draw for you, and also that you flopped top set with an overpair, eliminating all overset possibilities excluding AA.

Here are the actual odds:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1340912
pokenum -o ah 8d 7d 5c - 8s 5s 6d 5h - qs kh ks qd -- 4c qh 7s 6s
Omaha Hi: 36 enumerated boards containing 7s 6s 4c Qh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5c 8d 7d Ah 0 0.00 14 38.89 22 61.11 0.306
8s 5s 6d 5h 2 5.56 12 33.33 22 61.11 0.361
Ks Qs Qd Kh 12 33.33 24 66.67 0 0.00 0.333

You had 12 live outs, which is going to be slightly less than average here because the OE straight flush draw is in there and two of your pair cards are dead. You still win a third of the time on the turn and you're getting better than 2:1 on your call, so it is still a very +EV call. Everytime you call $14.40 here with a 33% chance of winning, you 'win' $9.82 in expected value. Folding would be a big mistake.

[joewatch]

I think your play is fine. Bad card on the turn, I think check-call is also acceptable since the pot is small. Finally, your choices would have been a lot easier if you had controlled the pot odds by raising this excellent hand preflop.

[TheRempel]

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Finally, your choices would have been a lot easier if you had controlled the pot odds by raising this excellent hand preflop.

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He did.

[joewatch]

Sorry, I'm not used to seeing 75 cent raises. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]