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View Poll Results: How do you think the average 2+2 poster plays poker?
He's the best (note from the initial poster: MWAHAHAHA) 14 10.85%
He's average 61 47.29%
He sucks. After all, if he is here it is to learn right? 8 6.20%
He sucks and after he has spent here some time, he will suck less 27 20.93%
He sucks, after he has spent years in here, he will suck just as much and he knows it, that is why he has becomed a troll 11 8.53%
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Old 10-06-2005, 10:57 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default $11\'s Bubble w/ JTo

OK, I am having a disagreement w/ some co-workers. Please critique and explain your answer.

If you say fold, what hands do you play here?

What if BB stack is larger, say t1000 or t1500 (and bigger stacks are equally reduced)? How does this affect your decision?

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BB (t600)
SB (t2500)
HERO (BTN) (t2500)
UTG (t2400)

Blinds 100/200

Hero is button w/ JTo

UTG folds, HERO?
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Old 10-06-2005, 11:04 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s Bubble w/ JTo

Push and get a showdown w BB or steal his chips. Note - this doesnt really work if SB has no idea how to play the bubble and will be calling w/ the top 30% of hands or something like that. If SB is one of those guys I just raise t600.
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Old 10-06-2005, 11:11 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s Bubble w/ JTo

I guess most SB's in the 11s has no idea how to play the bubble. My standard play is t600
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Old 10-06-2005, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s Bubble w/ JTo

I might be out of line here because im not very good at bubble play but doesnt 3x bet(t600) make it horribly enticing for sb to push in which case bb surely will fold?
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Old 10-06-2005, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s Bubble w/ JTo

At a higher level, yes indeed. But I doubt most people in the 10s would make a move without a big hand. Furthermore we have almost equal stacks. He would have to risk his tourney, which I doubt he would with a non-premium hand.
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Old 10-06-2005, 11:57 AM
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Default Re: $11\'s Bubble w/ JTo

i raise to 600 here
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Old 10-06-2005, 12:38 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: $11\'s Bubble w/ JTo

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Push and get a showdown w BB or steal his chips. Note - this doesnt really work if SB has no idea how to play the bubble and will be calling w/ the top 30% of hands or something like that. If SB is one of those guys I just raise t600.

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What is your line is SB pushes to your standard bet?
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Old 10-06-2005, 12:42 PM
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Default Re: $11\'s Bubble w/ JTo

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I might be out of line here because im not very good at bubble play but doesnt 3x bet(t600) make it horribly enticing for sb to push in which case bb surely will fold?

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This would not be a disaster.

Lori
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Old 10-06-2005, 12:46 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: $11\'s Bubble w/ JTo

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I might be out of line here because im not very good at bubble play but doesnt 3x bet(t600) make it horribly enticing for sb to push in which case bb surely will fold?

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This would not be a disaster.

Lori

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Is this what the genie refers to an action bluff?
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Old 10-06-2005, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: $11\'s Bubble w/ JTo

It's not quite, but it is a scenario where if you are effectively paying to have the short stack lose chips.

I don't think you WANT this to happen in this position, I just don't think it's a disaster if it does. The short stack will find it even harder to recover from a stack of 400.

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