Cold Call 3 and Chase; Bet Sklansky Didn't Teach This!

Looks fine to me PF. EV is maybe neutral to slightly +, but hell, playing is always more fun than folding. You're playing for a set, and you're in position on a big field in a monster pot.

Flop is the only one I really questions. You're calling for maybe 1.5 outs or LESS. Maybe. If you had the 5h it'd be an easy call with that pot with a shade over 2-ish outs (if you count the bd straight a smidgen). With this field, however, your outs to the set are dirty as well as unlikely. Not just flush draw dirty, but set and redraw dirty.

The rest looks fine to me, including letting others overcall.

[djhoneybear]

My appologies for some quick reading. I thought it was two bets to you on the flop making it an easy fold. Even with two outs then it is a call considering your implied odds are nice.

[damaniac]

Not to be harsh, but this is awful, wretched advice.

Preflop is the only street that is really that debateable. He's looking at essentially 16:3 (better if more come along, 21:4 if they don't), so I'd say he has to make up around 14 sb's postflop when he wins. He has great relative position to the field, if he flops a set, the raiser bets, they all call, he raises, that's like half of what he needs right there, and sometimes it gets 3-bet, later streets, yada yadda yadda.

Flop, no way I'm folding essentially closing the action getting 20:1, even if I'm not in love with the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] falling. Folding an OESD, even against somewhat tainted getting 15:1 is again bad. And the river, eh, you're probably beat, and if someone other than the aggressor all hand raises I fold, but you can call hoping he's FOS at whatever:1.

[Roadstar]

Here are the results, I got terribly lucky:

UTG+2 had AA

MP2 had 44

MHIG [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I have no idea why MP2 didn't raise the turn when he hit the miracle card - I definitely would (EDITED) have been TOUGH to cold call 2 on the turn.

I know it was a suckout but poor opponents (cold 3 bet calling preflop) and weak post flop play (MP2s smooth call on the turn) gave me some equity/odds that I shouldn't have had to begin with I think.

[TheHip41]

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Here are the results, I got terribly lucky:

UTG+2 had AA

MP2 had 44

MHIG [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I have no idea why MP2 didn't raise the turn when he hit the miracle card - I definitely would not have cold called 2 on the turn.

I know it was a suckout but poor opponents (cold 3 bet calling preflop) and weak post flop play (MP2s smooth call on the turn) gave me some equity/odds that I shouldn't have had to begin with I think.

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You would cold call 2 on the turn getting 8-1 with an up and down straight draw? Really?

NH, glad you took it down.

[Roadstar]

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Here are the results, I got terribly lucky:

UTG+2 had AA

MP2 had 44

MHIG [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I have no idea why MP2 didn't raise the turn when he hit the miracle card - I definitely would not have cold called 2 on the turn.

I know it was a suckout but poor opponents (cold 3 bet calling preflop) and weak post flop play (MP2s smooth call on the turn) gave me some equity/odds that I shouldn't have had to begin with I think.

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You would cold call 2 on the turn getting 8-1 with an up and down straight draw? Really?

NH, glad you took it down.

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I think you're right, I could have just bit my tongue and press call on the turn if raised.... because a raise shouldn't been a made straight here... you're right..

[Songwind]

*grunch*
I fold preflop when it's 3 to me. With this kind of action preflop, what are you going to do when you hit your set with A, K or Q on the board?

Flop: Since you're there, you actually have the odds to chase the 2-outer, so I call as well.

Turn: I agree with your read on the outs, and I call here for 15:1

River: You are a shameless luckbox. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I understand your reasoning on hoping for overcalls, but I believe I would raise. I think you're ahead here often enough to make it profitable.

[Roadstar]

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*grunch*
I fold preflop when it's 3 to me. With this kind of action preflop, what are you going to do when you hit your set with A, K or Q on the board?

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Well this table was a mix of LAGs and LPPs. Out of the past 10 hands, 3 were probably capped preflop - so I thought I had the odds here. A controversial play I suppose, and Jake pointed out (and its a good one) that a cap behind me makes it harder to make up on implied odds.

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Flop: Since you're there, you actually have the odds to chase the 2-outer, so I call as well.

Turn: I agree with your read on the outs, and I call here for 15:1

River: You are a shameless luckbox. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I understand your reasoning on hoping for overcalls, but I believe I would raise. I think you're ahead here often enough to make it profitable.

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Yeah I'm a shameless luckbox [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I did pick up a bunch of outs on the turn tho!

I don't think I'd raise because of the overcalls. Think of it this way:

If I raise the river, ppl behind me are likely to fold and IF I'm ahead MP2 calls so I get an extra 1BB. If I'm behind, MP2 will 3 bet, I (not having the disclipine in face of a monster pot) will make a crying call and lose 2BB.

BUT if I just call (still thinking I'm ahead), I'm likely to count on the 2 behind me to call due to the size of the pot and the likelihood of them holding something like AA or KK. So if I call, 2 overalls, that is an extra 2 BB if I win, WITHOUT having to put in another BB myself. If I lose I lose.

So in summary:

Raise: Cost - 2BB to win 1 more BB if ahead, Cost - 3 BB if 3 bet and likely to lose

Call: Cost - 1BB to win potentially 2 more BB (but probably at least 1 as is the case here), Cost 1BB if I lose since aggressor can't raise his own bet.

I guess we could factor in a raise behind me but thats less likely.