Bet AA preflop to reduce the number of callers?

Space Moose · #1 07-16-2005, 05:01 AM

Do you ever bet preflop with AA in order to reduce the number of callers?

In a Limit cash game your EV goes up with the number of callers. Now you never bet so that you increase the number of callers, but you do bet to increase the potsize (even if that means more callers).

What about No Limit cash game?

What about No Limit Tournament?

Space

cobalt · #2 07-16-2005, 05:08 AM

AA is a strange hand. There are two ways I like to play it pre-flop (in NL). If I am in a late position and everyone has simply called the blinds, stealing blinds is probably worth it. So I bet big pre-flop.

If I'm in an early position or if only 1-2 people have called the blinds, then I'll limp in and see the flop.

In PL, you may as well just call the blind since it will get you more action than betting (unless you're in an early position where more people might call a small pot raise).

fimbulwinter · #3 07-16-2005, 07:58 AM

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AA is a strange hand. There are two ways I like to play it pre-flop (in NL). If I am in a late position and everyone has simply called the blinds, stealing blinds is probably worth it. So I bet big pre-flop.

If I'm in an early position or if only 1-2 people have called the blinds, then I'll limp in and see the flop.

In PL, you may as well just call the blind since it will get you more action than betting (unless you're in an early position where more people might call a small pot raise).

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this is terrible advice.

fim

spaminator101 · #4 07-17-2005, 05:48 PM

i agree thats the worst advice ive ever heard on AA

Ryan11 · #5 07-17-2005, 07:47 PM

In NL you are giving someone implied odds for your whole stack pretty much. Someone coming it and hitting a garbage two pair like getting in cheap with with 46s and a flop coming 4Q6 you are going to lose a lot of money, where if that hand completely misses the flop you won't win anything extra from that player.

spoohunter · #6 07-17-2005, 09:00 PM

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In NL you are giving someone implied odds for your whole stack pretty much. Someone coming it and hitting a garbage two pair like getting in cheap with with 46s and a flop coming 4Q6 you are going to lose a lot of money, where if that hand completely misses the flop you won't win anything extra from that player.

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You can fold aces post flop.

#7 07-17-2005, 10:49 AM

Here is my phylosophy on AA: You do NOT want more than 3 other players in it with you. I, no matter what position, and from early position, unless 100% sure that someone (loose) will raise, I raise my AA. Some players will be happy to get 6 callers with AA but if YOU miss catching your set of Aces, good luck winning the pot.

Because you do not want garbage hands like 52o in it with you. These hands will only pay you if they hit two pair or better. You also do not want connectors suited in it with you. You want STRONG hands. AK would be best. Say you're up against KJ and flop comes J76, you're in great shape but you wouldn't be against T9, 98, 95, 54, 43 even 7x or 6x because they won't pay you off unless they catch their second pair or trips. But everyone that called preflop that might have KK, QQ, AJ, or Jx, or even TT will pay you off.

It's your job to make it expensive for those trying to outdraw you. And to make their E(x) not worth the investment to call. But for those that already have a hand, it wouldn't really be an "investment" now would it.

ggano · #8 07-17-2005, 03:50 PM

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Because you do not want garbage hands like 52o in it with you. These hands will only pay you if they hit two pair or better. You also do not want connectors suited in it with you. You want STRONG hands.

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As long as they're willing to pay a decent amount preflop, I'm HAPPY to have 52o play with me. I'm also happy to have as many opponents as possible, if they've paid enough preflop. With 7 opponents you'll certainly lose most of the time, but when your hand does hold up you'll make a fortune.

We're actually not too far apart - the key is to make people pay to try to draw out on us. I just want to emphasize that it's not too hard in NL to make it -EV for them to stay in PF. It's true that 52o or 76s will only put more money in post-flop if they hit, so that's why you have to make them pay pre-flop. Then I'm happy if they fold, and I'm also happy if they call. Either way is +EV for me.

On TV you see pros calling raises with suited connectors. Do you think if the raiser flashed AA, the pro would still call?

SynSid · #9 07-19-2005, 11:35 AM

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On TV you see pros calling raises with suited connectors. Do you think if the raiser flashed AA, the pro would still call?

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I'd think that being shown AA would make it MORE likely that they'd call.

1. If you hit your hand you'd far rather be up against AA than anything else as it's far more likely to pay you off.
2. Not only do you know they've got AA, but far more importantly they know that you know they've got AA. That makes it very hard for them to call if you decide to bluff.

blaze666 · #10 07-16-2005, 06:09 AM

against many opponents, AA is still not that big a favourite. if you are up against a few suited connectors, or a lower pocket pair, then your hand is likely to get outdrawn. i think in a short handed LAG game, you are likely to get someone raising preflop, in which you can start value betting, and play back at them.