JTs may be spewing from SB

checkmate36 · #1 10-26-2005, 08:30 AM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

With so many players in I decided to raise and build the pot in case I hit a draw with what could possibly be the best hand. Probably not since BB 3-bet me but he is rated a taz. Thats the only read I have other than the table is very loose.

Flop: (20 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

With 5 opponents I didn't mind to keep building the pot with my draw that needs to dodge a spade it seems. Is this spew??

lautzutao · #2 10-26-2005, 08:32 AM

Yes. You lucked out that you got 2 callers after BB raised you. I would have just called his raise.

I'd only 3-bet here if I had J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

ArturiusX · #3 10-26-2005, 08:35 AM

Check the flop.

lautzutao · #4 10-26-2005, 08:42 AM

Only way I check this flop is if I know BB is betting. Then I c/r. You want to check/call here with a straight to the nuts in a 20SB pot?

EDIT: BB 3-bet PF, nm.

#5 10-26-2005, 08:42 AM

*grunch*

Pre-flop: I do not like the PFR even with so many players in as we will be way OOP on the flop and if we do not hit it hard we are easily dominated.

Flop: Double gutshot draw, a non-spade A or 9 is what we are looking for. Again, I do not like the OOP raise when the pre-flop raiser is directly to our left. Odds to call: yes. Advantage to raise: no. I totally disagree with your 3-bet and the following need to call the cap. Yes, I think it is spew.

xenthebrain · #6 10-26-2005, 08:56 AM

Why not c/r BB ?

@bsolute_luck · #7 10-26-2005, 09:19 AM

dear goodness you made this the most expensively weak draw hand i've seen in a long time. the pot is already big enough for your draw without need to make it SOOO huge any 2 cards are getting odds. if you were button that would be different maybe but in SB OOP the entire hand? and donkbetting this flop only gets you HU with a better hand.

if you win this: you are an uberluck box and should be run over by an elephant [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

gopnik · #8 10-26-2005, 09:25 AM

a much better play on the flop IMHO is to c/r and trap everybody for one more SB. You are in perfect position to do so. And I just call preflop.

#9 10-26-2005, 09:47 AM

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a much better play on the flop IMHO is to c/r and trap everybody for one more SB. You are in perfect position to do so. And I just call preflop.

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Redd · #10 10-26-2005, 09:53 AM

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I'd check too though. Does anybody value-cap the flop?