one pair disaster

#1 11-18-2005, 11:00 AM

Hi,

Stakes: .50$/1$ at PP
Profit after 2,500 Hands: 24$ (1BB/100H)
Profit with one pair: -112$

Is it normal not shwowing a profit with one pair?

Here 2 typcial hands. I know I played them badly. How do I fix it?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls $0.50 (All-In), MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds, BB calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, BB folds.

River: (14.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, MP2 folds.

River: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

hobbsmann · #2 11-18-2005, 11:04 AM

fold to the river raise in hand 2.

Hand 1 is a little more tricky and I would normally call for piece of mind, but you are rarely ahead after MP2 raises and can probably fold and not lose sleep over it.

MJL · #3 11-18-2005, 03:28 PM

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fold to the river raise in hand 2.

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The thought that we are beat is right but with this scary board they have the perfect bluff opportunity. Im sure we will lose the bet but we only have to be right 1 out of 10 times to make this call correct. I would have ck called the river instead.

TheKentock · #4 11-18-2005, 11:08 AM

I actually don't think you plyed either hand that poorly.

Hand 1 looks fine, I like the raise on the flop to charge some gutshot draws, etc. When you're raised on the river, whaddaya gonna do? Call the bet and get 'em next time.

On hand 2, what did you put SB on? I ask because your flop call could have easily been a raise. Were you planning on raising the turn on a safe card, or were you going to call down? I think a read on SB is important here, as well as on the river. You must evaluate the chance that a King helped his hand. Does he only raise out of the SB with high quality card? If so, I would assume AK and KQ are a big part of his hand range here, not to mention the hearts. I am tempted to check behind.

#5 11-18-2005, 11:33 AM

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I actually don't think you plyed either hand that poorly.

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Well I picked some that were borderline. I'll show you a hand a played badly:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (15.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, Button caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (27.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 27.25 BB

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On hand 2, what did you put SB on? I ask because your flop call could have easily been a raise. Were you planning on raising the turn on a safe card, or were you going to call down?

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I was probably thinking not much (enough). I thought my J is probably good and he is likely to have overcards so I call.

sean c · #6 11-18-2005, 11:51 AM

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I actually don't think you plyed either hand that poorly.

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Well I picked some that were borderline. I'll show you a hand a played badly:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (15.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, Button caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (27.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 27.25 BB

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On hand 2, what did you put SB on? I ask because your flop call could have easily been a raise. Were you planning on raising the turn on a safe card, or were you going to call down?

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I was probably thinking not much (enough). I thought my J is probably good and he is likely to have overcards so I call.

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Hi nofutures the turn 3-bet is spewy but i really like your flop play and turn lead. No free cards on this board!

In short with the exception of the river call of the raise in #2 and the turn 3-bet in #3 these hands were played well.

Also 2,500 hands is a flea on a dog's ass as far as sample size goes. Stay aggressive and good things will happen.

I forgot raise that pre flop in hand #2 also.

#7 11-20-2005, 10:08 AM

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I forgot raise that pre flop in hand #2 also.

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Why is that?

sean c · #8 11-18-2005, 11:27 AM

Hi nofutures hand one looks good. In hand two i would have probably raised pre flop.

MJL · #9 11-18-2005, 03:32 PM

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Hi nofutures hand one looks good. In hand two i would have probably raised pre flop.

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Why?

sean c · #10 11-18-2005, 03:42 PM

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Hi nofutures hand one looks good. In hand two i would have probably raised pre flop.

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Why?

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We have a good hand, position, one late position limper which means he is either bad or weak/tight, get rid of the blinds, be the aggressor and give myself a strong chance to win the hand unimproved.

Also we can't check/call the river in hand two since we are last to act so its just a question of whether this is a value bet or not.