Your turn action?

bort411 · #1 06-05-2005, 01:42 PM

No reads. Just sat down at the table.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($194.02)
Hero ($100.65)
SB ($181.72)
BB ($76.25)
UTG ($106.8)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $1, MP raises to $3, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, UTG calls $7, MP calls $5.

Flop: ($25.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $15, UTG calls $15, MP calls $15.

Turn: ($70.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($70.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $70.50

Results in white below: 
UTG has Kc 7c (one pair, queens).
MP has Ks Qs (three of a kind, queens).
Hero has As Ac (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP wins $70.50.

Bill Smith · #2 06-05-2005, 02:03 PM

With 2 people in that could have any number of draws, anyone push the flop?

iraise50 · #3 06-05-2005, 02:24 PM

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With 2 people in that could have any number of draws, anyone push the flop?

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That was my idea, with 2 players in the pot, possible flush and possible straight draws, I think you are asking to get your aces cracekd if you allow anything resembling profitable calling odds for future streets. That flop has potential to ruin your whole day, and there is no way you get a fold from someone with an open-ender for $15 of a $55.50 pot with reasonable expectation of picking up the third caller. I think you need aggression and to win the pot right there, or to at least force your opponent to make an incorrect call.

Los Feliz Slim · #4 06-05-2005, 02:31 PM

I would raise more preflop and bet more on the flop - pot it.

bort411 · #5 06-05-2005, 02:32 PM

My problem with this thinking is that 1010, JJ, 33, 10J, or QK of clubs are all certainly possible holdings of either of these players. It's possible I'm holding the 3rd best hand on this flop.

ChuckyB · #6 06-05-2005, 08:52 PM

Right there you're doing what I do (and want to kick the crap out of myself for). You can't assume that the nuts are always out there. All of those are possible, but as this hand showed you, some people are willing to call big raises with Kxs.

I always have a fear of doom when I'm called while holding a big hand. It may cost me some cash (either at the table, or the shrink's couch) but I'll get over it.

bort411 · #7 06-06-2005, 05:28 AM

Bump for a couple of reasons. I still haven't gotten any input on a turn decision.

Also, while I realize that there are a lot of draws on this board, this is still a relatively dangerous flop for aces against two opponents. Something tells me that if I hadn't posted the results people wouldn't be as critical of my flop play, but I will concede that a larger bet probably was in order.

Anyway, assuming all previous actions are irreversible, who bets this turn, how much, and why?