The last stand of the American Republic....

[tolbiny]

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Keep one thing in mind, the phone numbers were found in cofiscated computers, phones and other devices seized from terrorists.

Had the President NOT acted on the material obtained from terrorists and there WAS an attack that killed friends, family or other Americans would you be outraged that he didn't act?


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This is not the problem that anyone has. The use of wire taps is not the issue- the use of wire taps without judicial oversight is the issue. All the agency (whatever agency it was) had to do was go to a judge, and tell that judge what they wanted to do. This has been done a thousand times before. Why did Bush feel that he had the authority to ignore standard procedure in these cases (since it was his order that allowed them to circumvent it).

[Meech]

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This is not the problem that anyone has. The use of wire taps is not the issue- the use of wire taps without judicial oversight is the issue. All the agency (whatever agency it was) had to do was go to a judge, and tell that judge what they wanted to do. This has been done a thousand times before. Why did Bush feel that he had the authority to ignore standard procedure in these cases (since it was his order that allowed them to circumvent it).

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Agreed. 100%.

Supposedly they are just listening to terrorists. Yeah right. And your social security number won't be used for anything else. We are here from the government and we are here to help. The mercedes is paid for....

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Keep one thing in mind, the phone numbers were found in cofiscated computers, phones and other devices seized from terrorists.

Had the President NOT acted on the material obtained from terrorists and there WAS an attack that killed friends, family or other Americans would you be outraged that he didn't act?


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This is not the problem that anyone has. The use of wire taps is not the issue- the use of wire taps without judicial oversight is the issue. All the agency (whatever agency it was) had to do was go to a judge, and tell that judge what they wanted to do. This has been done a thousand times before. Why did Bush feel that he had the authority to ignore standard procedure in these cases (since it was his order that allowed them to circumvent it).

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During wartime, (which we are in under the authorization of congress) as Commander in Chief he has authority to do so. As to your question, I can imagine that it had something to do with a concern for the information getting out.

As far as oversight goes, the senate intelligence committee knew about it.

Who did Clinton get permission from to use satellites to spy on the folks out west?


"Gun control is being able to hit your target"

[Meech]

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As far as oversight goes, the senate intelligence committee knew about it.

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That makes me feel much better. The senate intelligence committee (oxymoron?) was informed that the president authorized warrantless wiretaps on an unspecified number of instances.

Yeah, civil liberties are being protected. Thank God (or is it PC to thank the intelligent designer these days?)

Each one of those talking points has been throughly de-bunked.

We are not at war.

The members of the intel committee were not allowed to say anything about it, althought several wrote letters of protest, which are classifed.

Clinton's only crime was lying about getting head.