AA hand - MrWookie and I disagree

[scotty34]

The converter is down right now, so I'll just write this one out by hand. Assume the Villain here is unknown. MrWookie and I disagree on the way I played this hand.

I get dealt AA in the CO (suits unimportant). MP raises, I 3-bet, Villain in the SB caps, MP folds and I call.

Flop comes 688 rainbow. SB bets out, and we proceed to cap it.

Turn comes Qs putting two spades on. SB bets, I raise and he calls.

River comes an offsuit J. He bets and I call.

[marchron]

I'd call, but I'd expect to see Q/Q or J/J unless pots are routinely getting capped preflop.

What's the disagreement?

[Paxosmotic]

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I'd call, but I'd expect to see Q/Q or J/J unless pots are routinely getting capped preflop.

What's the disagreement?

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A river raise.

[Redd]

I like the call. Against an unknown villain, I'm willing to assume we're up against another pp here. And I'm also assuming he knows we have a pp too. And the only one we can value-raise is KK, who wouldn't donkbet because he realizes he's behind every other pp now.

I like the call.

I raise here no question. Call a three bet

There is basically ONE hand THREE combinations (JJ) that beats you here. QQ isnt slowing down on that turn. KK TT AQ AJ are all scared to death of missing a bet so are trying to get one last in in case you check AK behind.

You have to push that river.

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I raise here no question. Call a three bet

There is basically ONE hand THREE combinations (JJ) that beats you here. QQ isnt slowing down on that turn. KK TT AQ AJ are all scared to death of missing a bet so are trying to get one last in in case you check AK behind.

You have to push that river.

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I think our preflop, flop and turn action has made it pretty clear that we don't have AK.

He's either has JJ, KK, or he's a maniac. I'm sure that a raise against an unknown can't be that bad, but getting 3 bet would really suck b/c you can't fold (at least I wouldn't)

[Redd]

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I raise here no question. Call a three bet

There is basically ONE hand THREE combinations (JJ) that beats you here. QQ isnt slowing down on that turn. KK TT AQ AJ are all scared to death of missing a bet so are trying to get one last in in case you check AK behind.

You have to push that river.

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I think our preflop, flop and turn action has made it pretty clear that we don't have AK.

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Likewise his action makes it pretty clear he doesn't have AQ/AJ.

You are giving a ML player waaaay too much credit.

Come on, its ML. He is barely even playing your cards, he is just looking at his own. He has a very good hand and wants one more bet in on this river. It doesnt mean he has JJ.

[gharp]

Given Villain's play so far, the Q on the turn is actually a bit of a scare card for you. The J on the river is terrifying. I'd play it the same way you did.