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08-02-2003, 04:21 AM
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What the sites plan to do about the S.627
I have taken the liberty of emailing the following sites to see what they have planned to deal w/S.627. The sites are:
Party Paradise UB Stars ICP Pacific Golden Palace Planet True ThePokerClub WSex ACR Here is the email I wrote: Dear Poker Site, As a professional online poker player, I am very concerned about the Senate bill S.627 or the "Unlawful Internet Gambling/Funding Prohibition Act." Should this bill pass, does your site, or the industry in general, have any backup plans in place to avoid losing a large portion of American customers? If so, can you divulge what they are? Thank you for your time, jek's name (jek's screen name) I've had 3 responses so far, which I'll post in a seperate post. 
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#3
08-02-2003, 04:38 AM
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Paradise, Pacific, and Stars Respond
Paradise response: 10 minutes:
Hello jek, We're in the same boat as you in that we don't want to see this bill passing, but it looks to be progressing. Over the next few months I'm sure more will develop in this area, but for the time being we are still pressing ahead as per normal. Best Regards, Craig Paradise Poker Support Well, how boring, but it was a prompt seemingly knowledgeable response. Pacific Response: 13 minutes Dear jek, Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. I have forwarded your message to the relevant department, they will look into this matter closely. They will contact you as soon as possible. If you require further assistance in this or any other matter please feel free to contact us. We are here for you 24 hours a day, everyday. Kind Regards, Lydia Member Support Representative I hope the "thank you for bringing this to our attention" line is just a standard response from Pacific. Although it wouldn't surprise me if Pacific support really wasn't aware of this. We shall see what their follow-up response is like. Jacob from Poker Stars responded in an astounding 2 minutes. Although all he simply had to say was: Hello jek, I will forward your question to management. Regards, Jacob PokerStars Support Team I look forward to the "real" Stars response. Planet Response (just in while I'm typing this): 42 minutes [b]Hello jek Reference Account #XXXXXX Thank you for your comments and concerns. We have forwarded your e-mail to management. Please expect a reply within 24 hours. Deborah W Planet Poker Customer Support support@planetpoker.com Phone US & Canada: 1-866-50-POKER (1-866-507-6537) International: 1-678-460-0111 9:00 AM to 11:00 PM Eastern Time
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#4
08-02-2003, 11:38 AM
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ThePokerClub\'s Response
Response Time: 3h 42min
Dear Player: As soon as we have a resolution for this we will be contacting our players with all the details and procedures our site will have about this situation, we appreciate your concern and please keep in touch for more updates about this. ______________________________________ Regards, Tony Client Support ThePokerClub.com "As soon as they have a resolution" Hmmm. Do they even have one in the works or are they waiting to see what develops just like us? Also, no mention of Skill Poker.
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#5
08-02-2003, 07:22 PM
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ACR\'s response
Response Time: 10h 10min
Hello jek, We are not sure what affect this bill will have. If it is passed at that time we will have to see what we can do. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Regards, Customer Support Anyone else getting the feeling that the sites aren't too concerned about this? Kind of makes me feel better.
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#6
08-02-2003, 07:40 PM
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Re: ACR\'s response
"Anyone else getting the feeling that the sites aren't too concerned about this? Kind of makes me feel better. "
Sort of like when we were not very concerned about Osama Bin Laden. Just a thought though I am not comparing the severity of losing the ability to play online poker to the threat of terroism.
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#8
08-02-2003, 08:13 PM
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Re: ACR\'s response
paradise seems to be the only one that addressed the issue in a way that we are sure that they know the potential impact.
i would call the rest of the responses form spitouts from over taxed or undereducated reps. the acr response comforts you, yet it scares me. i don't want my sites having the attitude that when someone emails them that the law has passed, they will deal with it then. that is totally unacceptable. the reality is that it IS something we need to worry about and deal with, and acr's blase response better be due to management changes that have left them clueless, as opposed to the possibility that CRIS might actually BE cluless. you KNOW i rarely take things serious here. however, i gotta tell you, this thread is the best thing that you have done for ME. you KNOW i love all your posts, but this is such an eyeopening thread so far, and i will probably discuss it more than all your other posts combined. (discuss with local friends.. don't worry zoo, this is my one and only rant/crusade) i can't speak for others, but IMO your idea to write them all has forced their hand in regards to many things that will expose the *actual* brains, or lack thereof that some of these online have toward reality. they feel so safe and secure off the soil, and miss things that are industry changing. this is one of the BAD things about offshore poker. how sharp are they in reality? do these support people *really* think this is an issue that should be dealt with AFTER passage?? rofl. this response from acr disturbs me 100 times more than the blow-offs to upper management that the rest have been sending. i hope the sites that have promised you a response deliver on it. and in keeping with my notion that this is the most valuable thread in ages, i hope that you follow through for us with the sites that are dragging their asses on answering. know what i got out of the acr response jek?? a phone bill to Berlin. now how could your post have cost me a long distance call like that ?!? well, my brother-in law is a travelling PA. he is doing it to work off the last of his educational loans. he just turned 50, and has finally grown up. at this point, today, now, that 1k he has with ACR is a LOTTA dough to him. because of the way these rotations work. this means that he happens to be stuck in germany until christmas. i felt that i needed to call, because by christmas, it may be too late. i did not call with a pissy attitude like i have in this post. i did not want to worry him too much, but it is something that i decided prior to the call, that it could not wait till christmas. my brother-in law has a little bit over $1,000 REAL money at ACR. when i saw your post, i called him. of course i called to say hello as well, but after the family talk was done we got down to business. i told him in no uncertain terms that if i tell him that the bill is close to being signed into law, he is going to INSTANTLY withdraw every last dime from ACR. my brother-in law has worked his ass off and been in school for close to 12 years. he has finally on the edge of being solvent, but right now things are a bit tight for him. there is NOOOOOO fuking way that i will knowingly allow him to leave a dime in a site that has no clue about the necessity of being proactive here. if i had to script the worst response i would want to hear from a site regarding the bill, ACR would be the model. i can't tell you how screwed up the "ostrich approach" is when it comes to dealing with peoples money. don't mess with peoples money, and g_d damn it, have a FREAKING plan!!!! a rush on funds (mass cashouts) for a small POS site like acr could deliver a critical blow to their day to day operations. this is bad for poker, bad for business, and something that "GrannyMae" would never condone. i have spent 5 years being a goodwill clown for this industry (happily, don't get me wrong). being the person that granny is, saying to someone to do a total cashout is NOT AT ALL what i stand for. but, and it is a BIG BUT, any site that is ill-informed or avoiding the inevitable, or avoiding answering jek's emails on this, are sites that deserve ANY mass exodus they may get because they were not smart enough to have a plan B. ask caro if planet is on top of this. ask paradise.. they won't give you specifics, but as you see by their response, they are the only one's that are not treating this like a zit that will go away. top 5 sites people, i'm warning you. money in sites #6 and up is speculative. dang that was gloomy and doomy, but this thread is starting to piss me off. keep all the responses coming please jek, and thx much for providing the info to us. 
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#9
08-02-2003, 08:21 PM
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Re: The one who planned ahead...
Skillpoker.com a sub of poker.com planned way ahead
for this. Actually with a server already based in the united states and is back by a las vegas casino. Skillpoker.com said once the bill has passed skillpoker.com will be the only legal poker site online, since they said the bill will not affect them since they are an american owned company and their game of poker is based on pure skill unlike the offshore companies which is based on luck. Also skillpoker.com will be regulated by las vegas gaming commision. So its nice to see someone is looking forward to the bill being past in which it will give skillpoker.com the american market. Also I think skillpoker.com is pushing for the bill to pass as you can see one of their main offices is in washington D.C.
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