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Old 10-26-2005, 11:53 AM
kyro kyro is offline
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Default Re: Is this statement 100% true?

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i don't think anyone uses it as reasoning

it's just a joke

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I see it waaaaay too often without the smiley faces for it to be a joke. I think people actually factor the chances that they will hit into their decision, and neglect to factor in the chance that someone else will hit on them if they're the one ahead.

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kyro, you need a doctor...your sarcasm detector is broken.

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OMG GET OUT OF MY FACE MORON BEFORE I SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST INTO A PILE OF CRAP!

Then all these people need to stop recreating the same joke because I see it EVERYWHERE.
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Old 10-26-2005, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: Is this statement 100% true?

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i won't fold pocket kings at any level or any limit preflop. not even at the world series, with 4 people all in before me on the first hand.

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i can't tell if my sarcasm detector is broken.

ridiculous.

spell checker still works.
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Old 10-26-2005, 11:57 AM
kyro kyro is offline
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Default Re: Is this statement 100% true?

So why don't people say

"Well you're only 80% to win against QQs...so be careful?

Come up with a range and find out how often you'll win. You can't include just the chance you'll crack AA and not the chances you'll be cracked. You're inflating your chance of winning.
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Old 10-26-2005, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: Is this statement 100% true?

alright, yea that's what i meant. just souunded wierd how you phrased it the first time.
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Old 10-26-2005, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: Is this statement 100% true?

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Pocket Kings should never be folded preflop at partypoker in the $33s or $55s regardless of the betting action.

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This statement is not 100% true.
There are rare cases to fold KK and even AA preflop. Most of the time they come from extreme bubble situations.

Plug these numbers into SNGPT.

BB(hero) 3117
SB 3117
BTN 1557
Co 209

Blinds are 100-200
CO and BTN fold
SB pushes
KK is an easy fold here acording to the ICM

This example may not be perfect, but it is an example that isnt far fetched at all.

edit... I find this thread interesting, because there are people who strenly believe that they should never fold KK preflop. There are lots of places to fold it. All of them are at least semi extreme.

If you play enough poker, you WILL run into times where it is correct to fold them preflop. Ignorning this will likely not cost you a whole lot of money in the long run, but in a lifetime your sample size wont ever be large enough to cover the variance. I am just guessing the numbers.
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Old 10-26-2005, 12:48 PM
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Pocket Kings should never be folded preflop at partypoker in the $33s or $55s regardless of the betting action.

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It's been my experience that searching for absolutes in poker will get you no closer to any kind of real understanding.
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