Tough Hand: AKs, TPTK... OOP

Python49 · #1 08-13-2005, 03:41 PM

Read on villainis that he seems to be a good player but i've seen him over play many hands that seem like amateur mistakes at times. Moving all in with QQ after reraises then a push by someone pre flop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Hero ($123.05)
BB ($191.25)
UTG ($35.45)
Button ($188.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $3.5, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to $25, BB calls $15.

Turn: ($58) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $40, BB calls $40.

River: ($138) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $55, Hero calls $54.05 (All-In).

Final Pot: $247.05

How's the line? I figure on flop since i'm out of position, just calling is out of the question so I decided to reraise and then bet close to 2/3 pot on the turn. I've asked others and they said a push on the turn after reraising flop is better, but if I push turn, this is a pretty big overbet. What's the better line.

#2 08-13-2005, 08:38 PM

Only hands you are ahead of are KQ and KJ... The min-raise screams danger most of the time. Guessing you lost to 33 or 99

Python49 · #3 08-13-2005, 09:38 PM

Hero has Kh Ah (two pair, kings and threes).
BB has Tc Kc (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: BB wins $247.04.

What is a better line, fold to a min raise on flop? Call then just fold to pot bet on turn? I would have been laying down the best hand and what felt like the best hand. I don't want to be results oriented which is why I made the post because I just wanted to know at what point the hand is dropped or at what point i move in.

#4 08-13-2005, 09:50 PM

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Hero has Kh Ah (two pair, kings and threes).
BB has Tc Kc (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: BB wins $247.04.

What is a better line, fold to a min raise on flop? Call then just fold to pot bet on turn? I would have been laying down the best hand and what felt like the best hand. I don't want to be results oriented which is why I made the post because I just wanted to know at what point the hand is dropped or at what point i move in.

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I'm fighting back tears right now. I'm assuming now that you knew something about this guy and knew he was capable of raising without having you beat. Problem is that you're pretty deep stacked here. If a push on the flop could've been reasonable, then this hand's pretty easy IMHO. But, with such deep stacks and an opponent repping strength, you're in a reallty tough spot. I think I would've raised more on the flop or just smooth called.

xcrack999 · #5 08-13-2005, 10:00 PM

Classic way ahead / way behind situation. Check-call him down if you feel he overplays his hands a lot, or call flop raise, check-call turn, and blocking bet river, or call flop raise and bet out turn folding to a raise.

Python49 · #6 08-13-2005, 10:28 PM

Oh ok, so call min raise on flop, then check/call from there? I felt as though if I just call his raise on flop i'm in the same predicament I was in there but for two more streets where he'll have open will to bet whatever he wants when im showing real weakness by checking to him. I also think a better line would have been to take that second stab on turn with a strong bet and if called or raised go into c/f since i'm not beating anything to a push.. but at the time I felt committed, but if i fold to the river push when im likely not beating anything I would have played it so that i got my money in each time when I was ahead, then when im beat I fold which sounds like the goal.

Python49 · #7 08-13-2005, 10:30 PM

Quote:

I think I would've raised more on the flop or just smooth called.

If you raise more on flop and are called... what do you do on turn? If you just call on flop and he pot's the turn.. is that the point which you give it up?

fimbulwinter · #8 08-13-2005, 10:39 PM

in general against an aggressive player HU my line is raise pf, check/call flop, check/call turn, 1/2 pot river.

if he's passive and he raises, i just call down HU.

there's really no reason to 3bet this flop.

fim

midget23 · #9 08-14-2005, 01:20 AM

why did you abandon the bet the turn c/f the river line?

Python49 · #10 08-14-2005, 05:55 AM

By the river I felt committed and had seen villain overplay other hands previously.