Playing online - for the birds???

[KDF]

Duh.."Big ten" means 11. Thats why its big. Its quite simple when you think about it. As for Birds: they fly, people don't- except in airplanes- which often kill birds, and so not that many birds play poker because they are scared of people.

[ZManODS]

[MrGrob]

...something shady going on with the money I had in a site -- i.e. bad investments etc. I know that some sites have 100% of players money "on hand", but still. I don't think there is any weirdness going on. My losing sessions were tilt / bad card related -- that is all -- losing AA of something else to a suck out is so normal to me know that I only think, "guess he had to have something, if only faith alone, to be in the hand."

[RollaJ]

I think it is more likely that Big Bird shot JFK, than Paradise cheating and aranging flops. Why would they risk cheating when they make so much money by just playing fair. Think of how much money they make dealing to 300+ tables and even if they rake only a dollar a hand from these tables thats $300 X 50 hands an hour=$15000/h at peak times and maybe half that off peakbut still about $270000 a day 365 days a year is just under $100 million.
Why would anyone risk that much money at a chance to make even double, its just not worth the chance of walking away with nothing!

[sucka]

lol - why would WorldCom and Enron do the [censored] they did? They were making so much money....GREED!

And hell, WorldCom and Enron actually had governing agencies that they ultimately had to report to.

What about these online gambling sites? Do they have anyone to report to?

You are one niave person to think that someone wouldn't give themselves an additional percentage edge if it made them additional millions - especially when they are an unregluated, unchecked business.

If it makes you feel better when you deposit your money that there is no way you would be cheated in any way - then fine, live in your little perfect gambling utopia.

[MS Sunshine]

"If it makes you feel better when you deposit your money that there is no way you would be cheated in any way - then fine, live in your little perfect gambling utopia. "

Why do I win?

Why do others here win?

We don't care about the other BS. We are very bottomline sort of guys. You lost, you thought you were cheated. Fine.

Buy-in for 40BB, Win 150BB, move up in limit, win 50BB and then go broke in two days. Now, watch for funny hands, which are always there if you look, then find funny hands. "Well, I'm the BIG winner down at the Elks game."

Yada Yada yada..................Again, why do we win?

MS Sunshine

[sucka]

I'm not saying that it's in any sites best interest to make sure that no one wins. Clearly, that's not the case.

Look, I'm not making any excuses for whether or not I'm winning or losing online. I have already said that I don't think I play as well online for a multitude of reasons that I have explained previously in this post.

I'm basing my judgements on things that I've witnessed in a relatively short period of time while playing online. Anomolies that continue to occur in what I feel is greater than what occurs in an a regular cardroom. I could be wrong - I could be way off - I'm just making an observation on what I've seen.

As it turns out, I'm actually doing OK online. After playing fairly badly for a while I've turned my game around and while I'm still down a few BB's I've come back around. That still doesn't mean that the frequency of freaky stuff that happens makes me feel any better.

Like I said previously, it's interesting to me how so many people viemently defend these unregulated businesses - they would NEVER do anything to even slightly increase their profits. I don't know about you, but when was the last time you heard someone running a business say, "Well, we're making plenty of money..." - especially a business owner who had absolutely ZERO checks and balances.

You can't prove that there's nothing going on any better than I or anyone else can prove there is. Meanwhile, these online gambling sites are laughing all the way to the bank.

Here's just one example. I played for a little less than an hour yesterday at lunch. Just for grins I started taking screen shots of boards and hands that were showing down. I started seeing some weird crap, so I started keeping track of the next 20 hands or so...

Keep in mind, I'm not in most of these. Just observing.

2 hearts on the flop - runner-runner put 4 to a straight on the board.

2d Th 9h Jd Qc

5 players showdown in a monster $20+ pot (this is a $.50/1.00 micro game)

I player has AQ, 1 player has QJ, one player has A6h for the flopped nut flush draw, one player has JT. Basically, a clear example of let's tie 5 people to the flop give them all a legitimate hand and see what happens.

About 3 hands later....

Board shows 8h Th Js As Qh.

One player has KJ for flopped top pair and another has K7h for a strong flush draw. One player makes his straight on the Qh coming down while the other makes his flush. Another monster pot.

2 hands later...

Jc Th 9c Td 7c

J8s ends up taking down the pot - with flopped top pair making his gutshot on the river. Other hands involved - well, ATo makes trips and another guy gets his pocket Kings cracked. Another huge pot.

THE VERY NEXT HAND...

Tc Qd 8h 8s 8c

Hmmm - wonder if the 2 showdown hands have a pair for the full-house?

Of course they do - QJo shows down with JTs. Another huge pot.

2 hands later...

Qd Kh Ah Ts 9d

Not a huge pot - but the winner? JTs for the flopped nuts - other players? Big slick, and QJ. Can we possibly have anymore face cards out at one time?

I'll spare you too many more - but here's one about 3 hands later...

Kd As 6c 10c 5h

A $19.50 pot on a 2 way showdown. You guessed it - one person had QJo for the straight and the other player had pocket T's. So, the same card that gives the guy his straight gives the other player his set.

In a span of those 20 hands - there were 8 straights, 4 flushes (1 flush over flush), 5 not shown down, 1 set and 1 two pair.

A little odd? Maybe.

[Tom D]

You argument that you win, therefore the games are square is weak for two reasons: (1.) I don’t know that you win. (2.) You’re winning doesn’t mean the games aren’t tweaked.

For example, say once a session the house reroutes (by whatever means) a pot you would have won to a player less gifted than you are, to keep him in the game, give him hope, develop a loyal customer, etc. Just because your skills are such that you can overcome it and win a little something doesn’t mean you aren’t being cheated.

There is, I assume, a limit to how fast the house can cheat and still fly under the radar. It’s not likely that you’ll see four sets of quads in a row get beat by four straight flushes everyday. They have to be a little subtler than that, or some of the geniuses here might catch on.

Tom D

[cavalier]

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I think it is more likely that Big Bird shot JFK, than Paradise cheating and aranging flops

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I just called him and told him about this post.

He replied, "SH*T! I'm caught! Time to fly the nest!" [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

[David]

I find myself doing things I would never do in a B&amp;M cardroom and I suspect many are guilty of this. I call when I should fold just to see what the other guy has. I call when I should raise just to see that a safe card comes. I watch TV while playing, I surf the net while playing, I read while playing, I generally don't pay attention like I should while playing online. These are the reasons I play almost no limit games online. I find when playing PL or NL I pay much more attention. I HAVE FOUND THE ENEMY AND HE IS ME!!! Not an algorithm, not stupid lucky players, not the cardroom, ME!!! I believe if most people will look at why they lose online and win B&amp;M they will find either that they are not as good as they think or they are not concentrating on the game or more likely a combination of both.