Feedback on JJ hand requested

JoshNjuice · #1 09-01-2005, 12:27 AM

I know I misplayed this hand. I'd just like to know what I should've done and when I should've done it.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

EDIT: I'll post results tomorrow night.

I didn't call here because I was thinking BB may've been check-calling with a Q or looking to check-raise (the c/r expectation is pretty irrational) and UTG's bet against this board felt like a made flush or Q calling for value on the turn (hoping for at least an overcall and maybe a raise from me because of my pre-flop and flop raises) and betting out for value on the river. I think 10:1 is too big a price to fold here. If UTG hadn't been in on the river (if he hypthetically folded out of turn), this is an easy call for me. As it stands, I'm very unhappy with my fold for one bet on the river.

Any and all feedback welcome. Thanks in advance.

JoshNjuice

NateDog · #2 09-01-2005, 12:35 AM

Don't fold for 1 bet on the river.

istewart · #3 09-01-2005, 12:35 AM

I don't mind calling this flop and reevaluating on the turn. Although, clearly the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is not a card you would like to raise. I fold the river too but it feels weak because I can't put him on a reasonable hand (don't post results [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]).

JoshNjuice · #4 09-01-2005, 12:38 AM

I got rid of the results and I'll post them tomorrow night. Thanks for the tip.

JoshNjuice

cmwck · #5 09-01-2005, 12:39 AM

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I don't mind calling this flop and reevaluating on the turn. Although, clearly the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is not a card you would like to raise. I fold the river too but it feels weak because I can't put him on a reasonable hand (don't post results [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]).

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You're saying you would call the flop, then raise the turn on a card like the 2-diamonds?

NateDog · #6 09-01-2005, 12:42 AM

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I don't mind calling this flop and reevaluating on the turn. Although, clearly the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is not a card you would like to raise. I fold the river too but it feels weak because I can't put him on a reasonable hand (don't post results [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]).

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You're saying you would call the flop, then raise the turn on a card like the 2-diamonds?

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The flop was played correctly IMO. If I'm finding a fold, it's on the turn.

istewart · #7 09-01-2005, 12:46 AM

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I don't mind calling this flop and reevaluating on the turn. Although, clearly the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is not a card you would like to raise. I fold the river too but it feels weak because I can't put him on a reasonable hand (don't post results [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]).

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You're saying you would call the flop, then raise the turn on a card like the 2-diamonds?

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I'm not saying I would definitely raise, although it sounds like a good play because often times your equity is higher and you get some overlay with a guy in the middle. But I just like the idea of reevaluating and seeing what happens. Sometimes they'll check it to you with their J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or whatever, and sometimes it goes bet/raise and you're out of there.

Online247 · #8 09-01-2005, 01:19 AM

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I don't mind calling this flop and reevaluating on the turn. Although, clearly the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is not a card you would like to raise. I fold the river too but it feels weak because I can't put him on a reasonable hand (don't post results [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]).

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You're saying you would call the flop, then raise the turn on a card like the 2-diamonds?

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The flop was played correctly IMO. If I'm finding a fold, it's on the turn.

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why? You just picked up a flush draw.

lautzutao · #9 09-01-2005, 03:46 AM

Wow, this hand is really hurting my brain...

I'm assuming that with the bet into the raiser when that club hits, and his check on the river BB is holding Ac X, yes? Since he didn't reraise your flop it isn't AQo, so I assume you have him beat...

But WTH did UTG come from? I can't imagine he has a queen or he would have raised earlier as well yes? Possible small flush, but again he'd raise the turn with one correct? I'd have to call this river, it's possible you're best here.

crovax4444 · #10 09-01-2005, 05:25 AM

I think your best here. You have 3rd nut flush draw on the turn, so your not folding. Especially since the pot is large.

On the river, I still believe your good. Note, the BB checked and may have been on the flush draw himself. UTG just bet out on a 6. So either he's already got a made hand and was waiting a round?, hit 2 pair or trips. He could also be bluffing. I however can't see anything that he would be betting that doesn't beat you. I initally was going to post to tell you to call it, but now I'm unsure of what to do myself