Quick flop peel question

cmwck · #1 09-01-2005, 03:04 AM

new table.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 3 folds, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls, Hero...?

If I had the 7 of diamonds I call in a second. But without, our hand gets devalued. Are my odds good enough to call, even counting the times i hit a set and someone else hits a flush?

irishpint · #2 09-01-2005, 03:19 AM

closing the action ill make that call as we're almost certainly drawling very live and if a 7 comes we can certainly get paid off. with the pot this large a 7 of diamonds doesn't even hurt as we certainly will have odds to draw to pairing the river/another 7.

stlip · #3 09-01-2005, 07:35 AM

With no reads and two raisers I would fold this preflop.

That said, the lack of a raise on the flop almost eliminates the worry that someone is holding two diamonds so the pot odds + implied odds are good enough.

@bsolute_luck · #4 09-01-2005, 09:31 AM

preflop is interesting as i would have folded, but now i'm not so sure.

if we were CO/Button and UTG raised and there were 3 other cold callers, we cold call right? well our call in BB is almost just like that.

however: position and the possibility that UTG will cap or that the poster will fold...i don't know. i'm waffling.

Flop: our position on the flop bettor makes this a good place to peel. but i'm waffling here too. there are soo many cards that could come and ruin our hand even if we hit our 7 on the turn. i would think reverse odds would kill our hand beyond the fact that we are still behind in the odds we need to call this flop to begin with.

Innocentius · #5 09-01-2005, 09:36 AM

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That said, the lack of a raise on the flop almost eliminates the worry that someone is holding two diamonds so the pot odds + implied odds are good enough.

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This is not my experience. Of course it depends on reads, but I think many players would just call with two dimonds here.

Innocentius · #6 09-01-2005, 09:41 AM

I am not so sure about calling here. You do not have the direct pot odds to draw to a set, so you have to rely on implied odds. But one of your two outs (the 7d) is tainted. First of all, there is the risk that it gives someone a flush. Seciond, if it doesn't it sets up a redraw that will come in on the river 8 times in 48 (I'm not counting the 6d which fills you up). In addition, you have to consider the possibility of a made set of tens being slowplayed by a donk, which would have you drawing dead.