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Sometimes you just get outplayed.
Not sure how much there is to discuss on this one, but i thought i'd throw it out there. I thought it was kind of interesting.
Great 10-20 at mucks. Getting a cramped ass after about 9+ hours of sitting there spinning my wheels. Loose limper (EP) limps. Next in, I raise my AKs. Folded to LP who calls, BB calls as does the limper and me. FLOP K Q x rainbow I open, LP raises rather confidently, folded to me, i call. My little sense is tingling. My first thought is KQ, but then again, maybe a free card play. The table has been playing kind of tight when raising me. This player i one of the more solid players of the opponents. Turn blank. I bet. LP gets a 'wtf?' look on his face. hmm. I guess he isnt drawing. He calls. I dont think he has 2 pair, or a set at this point, obviously. I haven't seen this look too often so im not too sure what it is. Very interesting reaction. Looking back, i think it can be obvious what he has. Especially once you add in how confident his flop raise was. I miss it though, and file it away for later notes. River A I bet, LP raises, I call not expecting to win. This is one where i'm sure i'm beat, but i'm not sure what is beating me which is why i'm calling. I want to see what he was reacting to on the turn. RESULTS in white technicolor: <font color="white"> LP had AA. "Ouch!" says my chipstack. </font> b |
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Re: Sometimes you just get outplayed.
Actually, I'm not sure he "outplayed" you, since this one pretty much plays itself on his end.
However, this hand is a good example of respecting the "sense". Top pair, top kicker on the flop, and you just KNEW you were beat. This is a hard laydown, but you have to repect the "sense", especially when it's a solid player that is making it tingle. Respect the "sense". It is your friend. |
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Re: Sometimes you just get outplayed.
I don't get it...why was AA so obvious? Also, I don't think he played his hand optimally as he missed some bets.
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Re: Sometimes you just get outplayed.
[ QUOTE ] I don't get it...why was AA so obvious? [/ QUOTE ] The confidence in his flop raise against a somewhat tight(me) preflop raiser with the board how it is along with the fact he'd raise the turn with 2 pair or a set. If he had those, what would scare him to only calling the turn? Me betting after he raised me threw him off a bit. His reaction is why i knew he wasnt drawing to a hand. So you can narrow it down to a pair. Though, he could have AK also. [ QUOTE ] Also, I don't think he played his hand optimally as he missed some bets. [/ QUOTE ] I almost posed this question. Against me and my hand, i think he played it optimally. Against the field, i think you're right that he missed some bets. If the field was bigger, i might like his preflop smoothcall a little more. Another thing to maybe ponder in regards to that. I've thought about it long ago, but this kind of reminds me of it. Do a tight players chips, because they're tougher to get, have a little more value(not monetarily, of course)? Primarily because they are a pain in the ass to get. After all, you'll have plenty of opps for the looser players chips. Much like if you see a tight player and a loose player in a hand, you'd like the looser player to win, thereby gaining easier access to the tighter players chips. I thought about this way back in my first 'rock garden' game. b |
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Re: Sometimes you just get outplayed.
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If the field was bigger, i might like his preflop smoothcall a little more. [/ QUOTE ] This is the exact opposite of correct. While the reraise is automatic here too, failing to make it is an even bigger mistake against a larger field. Sacrificing early bets as a big leader is more acceptable against a smaller field where deception adds more value to your hand. As it is more difficult to control a larger field you simply have to jam your hand and see who wants to call you down. |
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Re: Sometimes you just get outplayed.
Not necesarily. There have been many posts in the past, some by Mason(hands to talk about), that supported this smoothcall in multiway pots. Though, position-wise, they were in the blinds i think.
I think Clark had a hand posted on this concept also. 'I can't play like Mason' or something rather. I prefer 3 betting personally. b |
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Please clarify
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[Do a tight players chips, because they're tougher to get, have a little more value(not monetarily, of course)? ] Not trying to be argumentative here, but what value? a $5 chip is a $5 chip whether it comes from a maniac, a rock, an L/P, a stone killer. So I'd like to hear your take on the kind of value you are alluding to. |
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Re: Please clarify
I think he is saying that it is easier to get a loose players chips than it is from someone who playes well.
Like when I see a maniac drag a huge pot with some garbage hand, I'm happy for him, and me. Because I know that in a relatively short period of time those chips will be redistributed to the table, hopefully to my stack. Whereas if a tight player wins a big pot they are less likely to gamble it up and give it all back. |
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Re: Please clarify
Yep. That's about it. I think Dcfer is on to something though.
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Re: Please clarify
This concept is true for tourneys, but who cares in cashgames?
Best regards Martin Aigner |
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