JTo Middle Pair

[DavidC]

LP limpers seem loose after less than an orbit and passive preflop (no raises, bad hands, so I'm not sure if they're really passive). EP limper (villain?) has like 3 hands and I haven't got a clue about him.

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP3 calls.

River: (8 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

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What do you think of the pf call?

What do you think of the rest of the hand?

[caggin]

Preflop call is fine. I'm 50/50 on the flop. The small pot, flush/straight draws, and my so-so kicker make me wanna fold. But the weakness shown by everyone plus my relative position make me wanna raise. Turn looks good, but I don't like the river fold. Yeah you're probably beat, but I think you're good more than 10% of the time.

[adsman]

The way you played it I would have bet the river and folded to a raise.

[toss]

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Yeah you're probably beat, but I think you're good more than 10% of the time.

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Not likely.

[Kumubou]

If you are going to play this hand after the flop, you need to raise. As to if you should be playing on... I have no real idea. I doubt someone has a better J, and I have no idea whatsoever if anyone has a Q.

I probably keep betting out until a second overcard drops (or somebody raises). Betting the turn and then check/folding the river makes no sense to me whatsoever.

-K

[thesharpie]

Preflop is fine. I would fold the flop mostly without a read, the rest is fine.

[thesharpie]

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Betting the turn and then check/folding the river makes no sense to me whatsoever.

-K

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On the turn there's a chance we could be ahead and need to avoid giving a free card. After they both call the turn it's pretty likley we're not ahead on the river, and we're not folding a better hand. A better hand might give us a free showdown, or the river action might go as it did and allow us to easily fold. You're beat here more often than not so a value bet has no.. Value?

[aK13]

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Betting the turn and then check/folding the river makes no sense to me whatsoever.

-K

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Agreed. A turn bet is not folding any hands that we want to fold, and if we are ahead on the turn, we are most likely ahead on this river as well.