Now I have seen everything...really unbelievable hand

[Renaud Desferet]

Game #314310827 - $20/$40 Texas Hold'em - 2003/06/10-13:39:46 (CST)
Table "Kadavu" (real money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: divingduck ($1,953 in chips)
Seat 2: Ren25 ($748 in chips)
Seat 3: womaaw ($800 in chips)
Seat 5: dking ($0 in chips)
Seat 6: Flamel ($760 in chips)
Seat 9: jetblue ($1,226.50 in chips)
Seat 10: mike_j88 ($1,600 in chips)
jetblue : Post Small Blind ($10)
mike_j88: Post Big Blind ($20)
womaaw : Post ($20)
Dealing...
Dealt to Ren25 [ Js ]
Dealt to Ren25 [ 7s ]
divingduck: Call ($20)
Ren25 : Call ($20)
womaaw : Check
Flamel : Fold
jetblue : Call ($10)
mike_j88: Check
*** FLOP *** : [ Th As Ks ]
jetblue : Check
mike_j88: Check
divingduck: Bet ($20)
Ren25 : Call ($20)
womaaw : Raise ($40)
jetblue : Call ($40)
mike_j88: Fold
divingduck: Call ($20)
Ren25 : Raise ($40)
womaaw : Fold
jetblue : Fold
divingduck: Fold
Ren25 : Winner -- doesn't show cards
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $257 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Th As Ks ]
divingduck lost $60 (folded)
Ren25 bet $80, collected $277, net +$197 [ Js 7s ] (high card ace)
womaaw lost $60 (folded)
dking didn't bet
Flamel didn't bet (folded)
jetblue lost $60 (folded)
mike_j88 lost $20 (folded)

[Hung]

What is so special?
I don't get it.

[dux]

Well, jetblue called two bets cold, then folded for one more, and wowamm raised a bet and caller, and folded for one more, and divingduck bet, called a raise, and folded to another raise.

[Mike Haven]

i see the odd play by the other guys, but an interesting by-product of this post for me is your play

i can hardly imagine a table where i would play J7s UTG+1 after an UTG limper, with three players and the blinds still to act

in fact, i'm not sure that i would play J7s too often even if i was on the button

what flop are you looking for that is realistically likely to appear where you can be confident enough to play on after the flop?

i accept that in hard odds terms that it will win 16.4% of the time against six random hands played out (the average being 14.3%), and 35.3% of the time against two random hands played out (the average being 33.3%), but many per cent of these theoretical wins will be because your Jack-high, or your pair of sevens, etc, would have, strangely, held up if you had dared reach the end of the hand - or, vice versa, you will fold many per cent of these hands, that would have in fact sneaked in, on the flop, because it is looking silly to continue

even many of the Jack-high flushes, that I assume you are playing for mainly, will be beaten on the rare times that you hit them, probably at fair expense to yourself

i am not criticising your play - i am questioning my auto-folds of such hands

does everyone play J7s in this position?

[GrannyMae]

i am not criticising your play - i am questioning my auto-folds of such hands

ok, i'll criticize it then.

WTF are you smoking to call in EP at the paradise 20-40 with such a POS hand?

nice result, but keep calling in that game with those cards and you are screwed.

IMO, the paradise 20-40 may be one of the toughest 20-40's in the world (net or B&M)

[Renaud Desferet]

Already famous reply :
"can you spell it, dead money?"
5 handed players, UTG folds, UTG+2 posts,
I really doubt that this play could be worse than folding.
But I don't care much.

[Renaud Desferet]

Well...6 handed, UTG calls, you will have corrected it yourself.