42s and the flop explodes

#1 09-15-2005, 01:07 AM

SB: 28/17/1
MP3: 42/23/5
CO: got nothin (on him, that's not a hand read)
Button: 67/41/0.8

(All in 40-80 hands)

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $2.
UTG (poster) checks, 3 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG folds, MP3 raises, CO 3-bets, Button calls, SB caps, Hero...?

The table has not been crazy...

DrewOnTilt · #2 09-15-2005, 01:40 AM

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SB: 28/17/1
MP3: 42/23/5
CO: got nothin (on him, that's not a hand read)
Button: 67/41/0.8

(All in 40-80 hands)

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $2.
UTG (poster) checks, 3 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, UTG folds, MP3 raises, CO 3-bets, Button calls, SB caps, Hero...?

The table has not been crazy...

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Holy Crap.

SB could have essentially any piece of this board - ragged 2 pair, set of 6s, nut flush draw. I'm leaning towards a small set given his stats.

MP3's aggression factor is fairly high for someone who sees 42% of flops, so we can assign him almost as large of a range of hands - K9, 99, flush draw.

CO - we don't have a read but I'm leaning towards a made hand. Only a small percentage of 2/4 players will 3-bet on a draw.

I would be very tempted to fold this flush draw given all of the money being moved at the pot. Then again, I'm feeling a bit ingenious since tonight in a similar situation I dumped an open ended straight draw, and it turned out I was up against another player with the same straight draw and a nut flush draw that hit.

This is a tough call. I'm leaning towards a fold, since we are obviously going to get heavily charged to draw at a weak flush.

#3 09-15-2005, 01:46 AM

The high chance of you drawing dead to a worse flush makes me lean heavily towards fold here.

ep510 · #4 09-15-2005, 02:00 AM

Fold, there's probably a higher flush draw somewhere in there. Also, at least one person has two pair+. Even if you hit your flush, you could be behind to a higher flush, or be rivered by a boat.

gh9801 · #5 09-15-2005, 02:16 AM

Fold your 4 high and move on, you have no idea if your draw is any good or not

Nick C · #6 09-15-2005, 02:28 AM

I hesitate to say this, since releasing a flush draw on the flop is usually a horrible idea, and in this particular case the board isn't even paired.

But I think I would fold.

#7 09-15-2005, 03:06 AM

I'm a n00b here, but i think my opinion is still worth something. I think this is an obvious fold not just because I think its a fair assumption that you are probly already drawing dead to a higher flush, but you also dont have that much money invested in the pot. You would be sacrificing your BB and one small bet. I fold w/out any qualms.

Bodhi · #8 09-15-2005, 03:26 AM

The money in the pot is not yours, not even the ammount equivalent to 2 small bets.

#9 09-15-2005, 03:38 AM

I think I might have a hard time finding the fold button here. The pot is 22SB when it backs to you. I think I'm calling and reassesing on the turn.

TomBrooks · #10 09-15-2005, 04:01 AM

I think there's very probably at least one other flush draw in that group and it must be higher than yours, so I fold.