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Old 09-10-2005, 03:13 PM
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Default Was this the right play?

This is not a bad beat story.

Home game, $5buyin tournament with 1 rebuy. BB is .25.

Hero is dealt pocket aces on the BB, AdAc.
Hero put in a miniraise of the .25BB to .75. Hero gets one caller, Villian is very aggresive and will call any bet. Everyone else folded.

Flop: KdJd9d
Hero bets .75, Villian raises to all-in. Hero calls
Villians turns over 10d8d, a flush.

Turn: 3h

River: 5h

Final pot:11.50

I dont think there was any way i could lay down the aces with the nut flush draw. Is there any way i could have played this hand?

Your comments are appreciated.
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Old 09-10-2005, 04:53 PM
Mojo Tooth Mojo Tooth is offline
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Default Re: Was this the right play?

Typical hyper-aggressive players like this will frequently play any suited paint. I think you should have given the villain credit for the flush. If you do that, you have to know that you're a 3:1 underdog.

This was a horrible flop for you. Don't get married to your aces. At the end of the day they're just a pair. Lay it down.
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Old 09-10-2005, 05:30 PM
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Default Re: Was this the right play?

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This IS a bad beat story.

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Old 09-10-2005, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: Was this the right play?

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This IS a bad beat story.

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Yeah, sounds like a bad beat story to me.
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Old 09-10-2005, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: Was this the right play?

Bad beat stories always feature the "hero" being convinced he was the superior player and did the right thing, and was beaten by bad luck.

This player beat himself, clearly. No bad beats here.
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Old 09-10-2005, 06:52 PM
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This IS a bad beat story.

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Old 09-10-2005, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: Was this the right play?

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Bad beat stories always feature the "hero" being convinced he was the superior player and did the right thing, and was beaten by bad luck.

This player beat himself, clearly. No bad beats here.

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Yep, I am with this guy. If you have aces, you have to try to push some of the idiots out of the pot. If you win the blinds pushing a standard 3-5x BB bet, good on ya, at least you have made something out of it. From what the villain had though, he probably would have still played into you, and THEN it would be a true bad beat.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:25 PM
Lottery Larry Lottery Larry is offline
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This is not a bad beat story. NO, THIS IS SOMEONE GETTING TRAPPED.

Home game, $5buyin tournament with 1 rebuy. BB is .25.

Hero is dealt pocket aces on the BB, AdAc.
Hero put in a miniraise of the .25BB to .75. Hero gets one caller, Villian is very aggresive and will call any bet. Everyone else folded.

Flop: KdJd9d
Hero bets .75, Villian raises to all-in. Hero calls
Villians turns over 10d8d, a flush.

Turn: 3h

River: 5h

Final pot:11.50

I dont think there was any way i could lay down the aces with the SECOND-nut flush draw WHEN OTHER BETTER DRAWS WERE REMOTELY POSSIBLE. Is there any way i could have played this hand DIFFERENTLY?

Your comments are appreciated.

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I FIXED A FEW THINGS above.

A few questions:
- what would villian go all-in with, besides the made flush or two pair or better?
-How big were the stacks?
- Had either of you rebought yet?

Not sure if I could have gotten away from the Aces, but I might wait for a better scenario. There a lock hand possibility out there and several cards might not give you the nuts, so drawing is thinner.
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:27 PM
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"If you have aces, you have to try to push some of the idiots out of the pot"

That's silly. Is that true for KK-TT, anything else? You have to balance risk with reward when you have the big pairs- how often do you get the chance to trap someone who's aggressive? I WANT "idiots" in there when I have a vastly superior hand.

What this story shows is that you can't let yourself get trapped for your stack with a big pair. It's nowhere CLOSE to being easy to do that.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:52 PM
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Default Re: Was this the right play?

Don't min-raise preflop...this invites calls from inexperienced players who think (O, its only 50 cents to me or whatever it is...)

Raise to .75-1.25 preflop...I don't think 10-8 suited is going to call...

This IS a bad beat thread...
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