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Old 12-28-2005, 02:07 PM
AlphaWice AlphaWice is offline
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Default KQs in button, multiway pot to river

Normally I fold the turn.. Your opinion?

Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: MARIEC28410 ( $955 )
Seat 3: atpilger ( $1030 )
Seat 4: SOTWater ( $2230 )
Seat 5: Mervert ( $1490 )
Seat 6: djgamer ( $595 )
Seat 8: AndyWSM ( $920 )
Seat 10: BabarPoker ( $1130 )
Seat 1: snowchaser ( $1675 )
Seat 7: superjam ( $1170 )
Seat 9: jmBug ( $972 )
Trny:18674222 Level:2
Blinds (10/20)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BabarPoker [ Kh Qh ]
atpilger folds.
SOTWater calls [20].
Mervert calls [20].
djgamer folds.
superjam folds.
AndyWSM calls [20].
jmBug calls [20].
BabarPoker calls [20].
snowchaser calls [10].
MARIEC28410 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 6h, Jh ]
snowchaser checks.
MARIEC28410 checks.
SOTWater checks.
Mervert bets [90].
AndyWSM folds.
jmBug calls [90].
BabarPoker calls [90].
snowchaser folds.
MARIEC28410 calls [90].
SOTWater folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
MARIEC28410 checks.
Mervert bets [225].
jmBug folds.
BabarPoker calls [225].
MARIEC28410 calls [225].
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
MARIEC28410 checks.
Mervert checks.
BabarPoker is all-In [795]
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: KQs in button, multiway pot to river

this belongs in the STT forum
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:23 PM
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Default Re: KQs in button, multiway pot to river

I raise this flop. You flopped a monster draw, with 15 outs to nearly the nuts. You are a nice favorite with 2 cards to come, particularly since this pot is multiway. This pot is good sized by the time it gets to you with 320 already in (if my math is correct) and 90 to call for you. I raise about the size of the pot to ~500. If anyone pushes back I insta call.

I don't know how you can possibly fold this turn. It's 225 to you to call with the pot at 725 after villian's bet. Even if you disregard the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] as outs (which I don't think you can completely do) you still have 13/46 outs so your odds are more than enough to call.

This is a GREAT board for your hand. Get some chips in the middle.
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:29 PM
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I raise this flop. You flopped a monster draw, with 15 outs to nearly the nuts. You are a nice favorite with 2 cards to come, particularly since this pot is multiway. This pot is good sized by the time it gets to you with 320 already in (if my math is correct) and 90 to call for you. I raise about the size of the pot to ~500. If anyone pushes back I insta call.

I don't know how you can possibly fold this turn. It's 225 to you to call with the pot at 725 after villian's bet. Even if you disregard the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] as outs (which I don't think you can completely do) you still have 13/46 outs so your odds are more than enough to call.

This is a GREAT board for your hand. Get some chips in the middle.

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Yeah, how you don't raise on the flop is beyond me, IMO. Not only do you have your 15 outs to the flush/straight, but you have 2 overs that may give you the best hand. You played this a bit too passively, I think.
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: KQs in button, multiway pot to river

To first replier: No, this is from an MTT.

To others: I also wanted some advice regarding the push on the riv. Is this standard?
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: KQs in button, multiway pot to river

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I also wanted some advice regarding the push on the riv. Is this standard?

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You pushed 775 into a 1275 pot into two players (granted both had already checked). I personally would check this down given the fact that there are two players who have to fold for you to win.

Put it another way, after you called all this way on such a draw heavy board, if I'm villian sitting on a hand like KJ, I call. You have been calling all the way on such a draw heavy board that it would seem you are on the draw and pushing suddenly on the river would seem very fishy to me.
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Old 12-28-2005, 03:33 PM
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To first replier: No, this is from an MTT.



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sorry, you said the total number of players was 10. my bad.
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:07 AM
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Default Re: KQs in button, multiway pot to river

You mean you call the allin with TP2K? Didn't you consider that I could have a set, backdoor flush, Q9 for the straight, two pair, etc.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:33 PM
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I don't hate the call on the flop since there are 6 people in the hand and it's early in the tournament. You'll need to be careful on a flush though, Ahxh is a possibility (Marie?). A raise to about 270-300 on the flop to isolate Mervert would have been a more aggressive play if you were willing to risk the tournament at this point.

As mentioned by Art, nothing in your play suggested a set or str8. Slowplaying one of those with all of the draws available would have been asking for trouble. Mervert is getting 2-1 to call a suspect all-in, I'm guessing he showed you J9 and took the pot.
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: KQs in button, multiway pot to river

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You mean you call the allin with TP2K? Didn't you consider that I could have a set, backdoor flush, Q9 for the straight, two pair, etc.

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I consider those things sure, but looking at the price the pot would be laying me (nearly 3:1) and your actions I call figuring that I'll snap off a bluff like you played enough times to make the call profitable.

If you were to play a set or 2 pair this way and I called and was beat, I'd make a note "SUPER DONK" and continue on my merry way. Playing this board that way with one of those two hands is awful play.
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