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Old 09-12-2005, 01:02 PM
Fianchetto Fianchetto is offline
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Default ATs and a nice flop.

B&M $12-$24 game.

Villian is a tight aggressive player who I've played a fair amount with. He likes to make moves, and he is a good hand reader.

Game was 5 handed before this hand came up. I was open raising frequently, and Villian 3-bet me liberally during this time, i.e. A9s.

15 minutes later, game is now 9 handed, I open raise UTG with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], a bad player cold calls, Villian 3-bets, another bad player in the BB calls, I cap it, they call.

4 players (8BB)

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet, bad player calls, Villian raises, BB folds, I 3-bet, bad player folds, Villian calls.

2 players (11.5BB)

Turn: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I bet, Villian calls.

2 players (13.5BB)

River: blank

I check, Villian bets, I call.

Thoughts?
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:18 PM
lufbradolly lufbradolly is offline
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Default Re: ATs and a nice flop.

Fold preflop. I don't understand the preflop cap either.

Everything else looks fine could bet the river but you may induce a bluff with a check.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: ATs and a nice flop.

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Fold preflop.

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Why?

This should be an easy raise IMO. Capping is debatable...

Thanks,

Guido
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:49 PM
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Default Re: ATs and a nice flop.



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Fold preflop. I don't understand the preflop cap either.

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I feel the open raise preflop is fine.

As far as capping, I've got a nice suited ace in a big multiway pot with two bad players. Also, Villian could be raising me light, so it's not certain I'm up against a monster. There is a small chance I have the best hand plus if he has some medium pair he may misread my hand on a scary board. I also want to notify him that 3-betting me with marginal hands is going to get expensive.
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Old 09-12-2005, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: ATs and a nice flop.

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Fold preflop. I don't understand the preflop cap either.

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I feel the open raise preflop is fine.

As far as capping, I've got a nice suited ace in a big multiway pot with two bad players. Also, Villian could be raising me light, so it's not certain I'm up against a monster. There is a small chance I have the best hand plus if he has some medium pair he may misread my hand on a scary board. I also want to notify him that 3-betting me with marginal hands is going to get expensive.

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you stated:

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Villian is a tight aggressive player

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and that:

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I open raise UTG

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why in the world would you think he's 3 betting you lightly?

have you been open raising, been 3 bet and then c'f flops?

-Barron
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Old 09-12-2005, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: ATs and a nice flop.

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why in the world would you think he's 3 betting you lightly?


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Mostly because the game was recently short and I'm not certain that he has re-adjusted to full table conditions. I know that he will lighten up his 3-betting standards when the game gets short, and also against me if it pertains to any type of steal/resteal situation since we have a history there. In a prior session, I open raised from the Hijack, and he 3-bet me in the CO with A2s.

I guess I'm saying that I really didn't think he needed a huge hand to 3-bet me here.
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Old 09-12-2005, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: ATs and a nice flop.

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why in the world would you think he's 3 betting you lightly?


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Mostly because the game was recently short and I'm not certain that he has re-adjusted to full table conditions. I know that he will lighten up his 3-betting standards when the game gets short, and also against me if it pertains to any type of steal/resteal situation since we have a history there. In a prior session, I open raised from the Hijack, and he 3-bet me in the CO with A2s.

I guess I'm saying that I really didn't think he needed a huge hand to 3-bet me here.

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either full or short if he's knowledgable he's looking not at the # of the players, but at the # of players YET TO ACT behind you at the time of your raise.

Barron
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: ATs and a nice flop.

considering the bad players in between I like the cap. do you think if you checkraised the flop you could have gotten four bests in again? i assume you lost to QQ or JJ though.

where do they spread 12-24?
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Old 09-12-2005, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: ATs and a nice flop.

c/r the river. that guys got KT or QT or some crap. he'd pump the turn with an overpair. your hand is good.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: ATs and a nice flop.

I think you lost to QQ/JJ. Bet the river. 99/88 might call but probably won't bet. I can't see him with a busted draw.
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