a common situation

[POKhER]

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if i raised flop and was called i'd def. fold turn UI.

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Ok call, of course this depends who calls and bets [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

You noted down his hand yes?
"Limp:Q8oMP, [MORE HANDS HERE]"

well yeah, i mean if one of the blinds cold calls the flop.

[Cancuk]

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good read, he had Q8o. if i raised flop and was called i'd def. fold turn UI.

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This isn't good, I would guess that 90+ percent of the time he's calling the flop raise. probably even more.

no, i meant cold called by a blind not by the first flop raiser.

[Obliky]

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MP didn't raise though, and we have 2guys to act after him, this is why i think we're often behind. you dont agree?

About hand protection, yeah i agree with raising if you think you're ahead. I dont though hence i'd be willing to fold or peeling for a FD/Improved hand or to see what MP does on this street.

Questions:
Do you think we're ahead of MP?
You're using the line already quoted?

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The main point im making is that calling here is bad. I see this as a raise or fold situation.

I would raise here for these reasons:

1, Raising buys you position throughout the hand. Its likely that the button, SB and BB will fold therefore putting us HU with villian with excellent position.

2, We are likely to get checked to on the turn and can therefore either take a free card or bet and take a free showdown on the river unimproved.

3, Just because villian bet doesnt necessarily mean he has a Q.

If we have a loose/passive read on villian then by all means fold, if we just have a 'very loose table' read i would raise.

good point about putting us into good position if i put away the blinds.

[POKhER]

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I would raise here for these reasons:



1, Raising buys you position throughout the hand. Its likely that the button, SB and BB will fold therefore putting us HU with villian with excellent position.


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Agreed. I dont debate this at all, but i only raise if i think i'm ahead.

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2, We are likely to get checked to on the turn and can therefore either take a free card or bet and take a free showdown on the river unimproved.


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yeah, another advantage of raising aswell as protection.

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3, Just because villian bet doesnt necessarily mean he has a Q.


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Of course not, but having not PFR and then with 2guys after... He'd have to be aggressive or stupid to bet without a queen. Just my opinion


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If we have a loose/passive read on villian then by all means fold, if we just have a 'very loose table' read i would raise.

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I never use table descriptions to apply to players.A passive tablle could easily have a TAG that you then play HU.

just checked, villain rated as maniac but obviously not many hands that is based on. 48 vpip 12 pfr

[POKhER]

neverforget AF When posting PT stats.
WTSD/W$SD helps too...

wtsd 37.5 won 50

af 1.75

again only 25 hands though [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]