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Old 12-26-2005, 03:12 PM
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Default $50 NL 6 max, two hands against same fish

I have noticed villian is loose passive, and after the 60 hands I played with him I see he was 55/3. Are both of these pushes standard against what appears to be a fish?

I had not showed any hands down in the few orbits I had been at the table but I had taken down 3 or 4 pots. These hands take place within one orbit of eachother.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($48.50)
Hero ($58.75)
BB ($59.30)
UTG ($79.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $1.

Turn: ($5.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $5.5</font>, Hero pushes $53.25 (All-In)


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($38.50)
Hero ($69)
Button ($58.55)
SB ($21.76)
BB ($79.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($12.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $9</font>, Hero pushes $63 (All-In)
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: $50 NL 6 max, two hands against same fish

hand 1 after villain made it 5.5 i would of made it 20 or say. its more tempting to call and sets you up nicely to get the rest in on river. i think you lose too much of his hand range by pushing when there isnt much you need to protect against.

hand 2 looks good.

paul
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:32 PM
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Default Re: $50 NL 6 max, two hands against same fish

Unless you've seen Villian calling a lot of overbets, I don't like either push. My experience is some loose players can find a fold if faced with a large bet. In the first hand, if Villian has a flush you're probably going to get the money in anyway, but might scare away a worse hand with an all-in (players like this might not think much about the three clubs until you make this massive bet). I'd just raise it to $15-20 and hope Villian comes over the top.

On the second hand, I'd raise on the flop. I think the turn bet allows the Villian to get away from a lot of hands you beat. I think a lot of this depends on your read of Villian. Is he making a lot of bets himself, or is he just calling bets down?

In general, I like making lots of 2/3 pot to pot sized bets against loose-passive players rather than all-ins. No reason to give him a reason to fold his top pair weak kicker.
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Old 12-26-2005, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: $50 NL 6 max, two hands against same fish

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I have noticed villian is loose passive, and after the 60 hands I played with him I see he was 55/3. Are both of these pushes standard against what appears to be a fish?

I had not showed any hands down in the few orbits I had been at the table but I had taken down 3 or 4 pots. These hands take place within one orbit of eachother.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($48.50)
Hero ($58.75)
BB ($59.30)
UTG ($79.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $1.

Turn: ($5.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $5.5</font>, Hero pushes $53.25 (All-In)

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I'd raise pf, but I know a lot of players won't. Not 3beting that flop is really bad imo, specially against a fish, you'll end up in this kind of situation a lot (trying to put a lot of money into the pot after the ultimate scare card comes)


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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($38.50)
Hero ($69)
Button ($58.55)
SB ($21.76)
BB ($79.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($12.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $9</font>, Hero pushes $63 (All-In)

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You're representing a flush, I guess it depends on your read of the villain, if he likes to make big calls this might be good, otherwise I don't like it.
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