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Old 12-15-2005, 02:43 AM
Exitonly Exitonly is offline
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Default Two hands (Stars 45k)

Hand 1:

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PokerStars NL Hold'em Tournament - 800/1600 Blinds (9 handed)

Starting Stacks
Seat 1: CO (T99988)
Seat 2: Button (T16575)
Seat 3: Small blind (T56959)
Seat 4: Big blind (T29269)
Seat 5: UTG (T35084)
Seat 6: UTG+1 (T1049)
Seat 7: MP1 (T32310)
Seat 8: MP2 (T17210)
Seat 9: LP (Hero) (T50349)

Preflop: Hero is LP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero raises (4000), CO folds, Button folds, Small blind folds, Big blind calls (2400)

Flop: (T8800) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Big blind checks, Hero bets (8000), Big blind raises (16000), Hero??



Hand 2:

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PokerStars NL Hold'em Tournament - 400/800 Blinds (10 handed)

Starting Stacks
Seat 1: Button (T31201)
Seat 2: Small blind (T7972)
Seat 3: Big blind (T12870)
Seat 4: UTG (T42053)
Seat 5: UTG+1 (T45385)
Seat 6: EP (T46334)
Seat 7: MP1 (T61233)
Seat 8: MP2 (T26004)
Seat 9: LP (Hero) (T87507)

Preflop: Hero is LP with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls (800), <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, EP calls (800), MP1 calls (800), MP2 calls (800), Hero calls (800), Button calls (800), Small blind folds, Big blind checks

Flop: (T6000) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
Big blind checks, UTG checks, EP checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets (1600), Hero raises (5500), Button all-in (30351), <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 raises (55202), MP2 folds, Hero ???

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No reads because i'm a doofus that doesn't pay much attention.

i realize they look pretty ugly, so if i'm just imagining that they're interesting, call me names and such.
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:51 AM
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Hand 1: Nice little steal from late position with a suited connector but I'm stopping at the re-raise. It looks like he's picked up a pair and internet players are not going to lay this down. You are looking to nail the gut shot but I think there is too much risk of losing your stack by calling a good amount on the turn to make it worthwhile.

Hand 2: Wow this is tough. I know the open ended straight flush draw looks pretty but you could be down to 2 outs if they have flush draws. And you have to turn/river the straight card that could be a diamond. I find a better spot and feel highly discouraged doing it.
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:51 AM
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Default Re: Two hands (Stars 45k)

Second hand is a fold I think. I saw the hand and didn't think you could call with anything less than a set.

I think you will see Axd here far too often in a limped pot to make a call correct. I guess you can pray they have 33 and 44.

I think I fold the first hand as well. You have zero FE. His bet here screams some sort of pocketpair or set. If he was on overcards I would think he would just jam. If you are very lucky you are drawing to 10 outs, more likely you have 4 outs here I think. I think I check behind on the flop here, since there is a lot of turncards that make you happy. If I pick up a flushdraw or a straight or even a pair I think I'm planning on putting it all in on the turn.
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:59 AM
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Default Re: Two hands (Stars 45k)

Hand 1: you wanna know if u can bluff a gutshot here without a read???

Hand 2: I would fold, your outs might be tainted, you got a very healthy stack, I dont gamb00l.
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:00 AM
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Default Re: Two hands (Stars 45k)

Hand 1:

You really should have chceked in position here, hoping to pick up a better draw (turning that draw into an open ender, or add a flush). I really don't like c-betting with nothing against smaller stacks like Villain in this hand, because they seem to check-raise me very often and I feel trapped into calling aside from odds.

Given how youplayed this hand, i'd fold since i'm getting improper odds and he only has 9k behind. Although, if I was actually put int he situation, I might just reraise all in if I felt my cards were good for 6 outs. Hard to say when you're reading the action on a website.

Hand 2:

If my calculations are correct, you're the favorite to win this hand even against a set of aces and the nut straight. But you're only 38%, and you'd have to put in more than 50% of the money. At least, I think that's right.

I would probably gamble because i'd still have a nice stack to play with for the level.
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:01 AM
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Default Re: Two hands (Stars 45k)

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1: Nice little steal from late position with a suited connector but I'm stopping at the re-raise. It looks like he's picked up a pair and internet players are not going to lay this down. You are looking to nail the gut shot but I think there is too much risk of losing your stack by calling a good amount on the turn to make it worthwhile.

Hand 2: Wow this is tough. I know the open ended straight flush draw looks pretty but you could be down to 2 outs if they have flush draws. And you have to turn/river the straight card that could be a diamond. I find a better spot and feel highly discouraged doing it.

[/ QUOTE ]

??? he has at least 8 outs to the nuts no matter what pretty much. Thinking about this more makes me lean towards a call actually.
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:01 AM
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Default Re: Two hands (Stars 45k)

On the second hand, I don't think MP1 has a flush draw. Why would MP1 come over the top of an all-in if he was on a flush draw? He wouldn't want to limit the pot. His all-in says that he wants the other draws out. If you only beat MP1, you're still in fine shape. There is 25k in the side pot right now. I'd figure that you're 50% to win the side pot and 30% to win the main pot. I haven't done the math, but that looks like a call to me.

First hand is an easy fold. You have no FE and possibly only 4 outs + running flush.
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:03 AM
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Default Re: Two hands (Stars 45k)

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Hand 1: you wanna know if u can bluff a gutshot here without a read???

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nah i knew i didnt have FE. I thought 7's and 8's were outs too. So, gutshot, plus pair outs, and backdoor flush draw. and i'm getting like 2.5:1 if i put him all in.
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:08 AM
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Default Re: Two hands (Stars 45k)

meh I wouldnt make a habit of counting 7s and 8s as full outs.

My thought process goes like: "I got gutshot, gutshot no good, I fold"

PS: bet less on flop
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:41 AM
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Hand 1: Pretty easy fold, very good chance that your gutshots and BDFD are your only outs

Hand 2: I'm tempted to gamble it up here. You're only in real trouble if MP1 has suited A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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