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#11
11-07-2005, 05:33 PM
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Re: Facing flop donkbet with big draw
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This looks like an easy raise. Am I missing something? [/ QUOTE ] You are missing the pre-suck days of this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be so sure this question has an easy answer. [/ QUOTE ] but.. it does 
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#12
11-07-2005, 06:19 PM
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Re: Facing flop donkbet with big draw
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This looks like an easy raise. Am I missing something? [/ QUOTE ] You are missing the pre-suck days of this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be so sure this question has an easy answer. [/ QUOTE ] but.. it does [/ QUOTE ] Oh really?
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#13
11-07-2005, 07:48 PM
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Re: Facing flop donkbet with big draw
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This looks like an easy raise. Am I missing something? [/ QUOTE ] You are missing the pre-suck days of this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be so sure this question has an easy answer. [/ QUOTE ] but.. it does [/ QUOTE ] Oh really? [/ QUOTE ]in online 20/40 this is an autoraise.
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#14
11-07-2005, 10:05 PM
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Re: Facing flop donkbet with big draw
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This looks like an easy raise. Am I missing something? [/ QUOTE ] You are missing the pre-suck days of this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be so sure this question has an easy answer. [/ QUOTE ] but.. it does [/ QUOTE ] Oh really? [/ QUOTE ]in online 20/40 this is an autoraise. [/ QUOTE ] In what game is it not? edit: I guess in a high limit game with a small player pool you could sometimes smoothcall to be tricky...
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#16
11-07-2005, 10:24 PM
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Re: Facing flop donkbet with big draw
I think the only reason to call with this hand on the flop is because you are planning on raising the turn to make a pair fold. Against fishy players, I'd raise the flop.
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#17
11-07-2005, 10:35 PM
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Re: Facing flop donkbet with big draw
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This looks like an easy raise. Am I missing something? [/ QUOTE ] You are missing the pre-suck days of this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Don't be so sure this question has an easy answer. [/ QUOTE ] but.. it does [/ QUOTE ] Oh really? [/ QUOTE ] Really.
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#18
11-07-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: Facing flop donkbet with big draw
Against a passive player that won't reraise the flop or come out betting into you on the turn this raise is cleary +ev. This is amateur stuff. Post this in the small stakes forum and you'll get flamed.
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#19
11-07-2005, 11:02 PM
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Re: Facing flop donkbet with big draw
The problem with raising the flop is that we likely forfeit the ability to raise on a big street when we make our hand. Since we have a very strong draw (15 outs to top pair or better) we don't want to take the lead in the betting. Additionally, we aren't worried about the SB tagging along to the turn as well.
Call the flop, then raise the turn if we hit. Same for the river. If we miss both the turn and river, we'll decide how to act then depending on the situation.
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#20
11-08-2005, 04:59 AM
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Re: Facing flop donkbet with big draw
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The problem with raising the flop is that we likely forfeit the ability to raise on a big street when we make our hand. Since we have a very strong draw (15 outs to top pair or better) we don't want to take the lead in the betting. Additionally, we aren't worried about the SB tagging along to the turn as well. Call the flop, then raise the turn if we hit. Same for the river. If we miss both the turn and river, we'll decide how to act then depending on the situation. [/ QUOTE ] That's a lot of trouble for slim chance at a small bets difference (flop raise v turn raise). So when an ace comes he's supposed to bet his bottom pair no kicker or whatever and call you down? What about Kd? Qd? I see you getting a raise in, which is called by a worse hand on the turn maybe 1 out of 5 times. On the river, much less, more scare cards for his feeble hand, and you called his turn bet with sumthin'. He's checking the diamond or Ace for sure. Maybe SB tags along for a flop raise getting us 2:1 for two bets on a close to even money prop. Or he folds and perhaps cleans up some outs. What if BB decides that pocket gork is no good when you raise preflop, raise the flop, and bet the K Q J on the turn? "If we miss both the turn and river, we'll decide how to act then depending on the situation." I really don't want to decide, can we just take a free showdown? Sorry, but I'd prefer to not risk losing the whole pot on the river, and increase my chances of winning the whole pot on the turn, then hope to get real lucky and get an extra half a bet.
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