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Old 10-19-2005, 06:10 PM
LoaferGee12 LoaferGee12 is offline
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Default Not sure how to take this

Villain is relatively passive, nothing out of the ordinary though.

Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.00 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>

I just wasn't sure what line to take here on out. 3-bet seemed like spewing and a stop n go didn't make too much sense. Should I just go in to check-call mode?
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Old 10-19-2005, 06:15 PM
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I think 3 betting here is spewing. Against a passive opponent I think this means top pair or better a vast majority of the time. You are chopping with a worse king like 1/3 of the time. I'd just call down.
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Old 10-19-2005, 06:17 PM
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Yeah I think we can check/call U/I as a WA/WB play. If he's trying to bluff us off then we'll the the maximum from him this way, and we certainly want a showdown with this.
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Old 10-19-2005, 06:25 PM
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Alright that's what my thoughts were as well just wanted to make sure I wasn't off base.
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Old 10-19-2005, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: Not sure how to take this

If he's passive I'd just let go of the hand...I don't see how you could think you have a great hand here. You might have split outs to add to your three 8 outs but that's not really worth continuing is it?
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Old 10-19-2005, 07:05 PM
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Why do we certainly want to showdown with a player that will have us beat a huge majority of the time when we he puts in a raise?
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Old 10-19-2005, 07:10 PM
BluEsiNsOuL BluEsiNsOuL is offline
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Default Re: Not sure how to take this

In a blind defense situation a raise on flop doesn't mean too much. Lots of people will raise you with bottom pair or a draw.
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Old 10-19-2005, 07:14 PM
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Am I mischaracterizing passive? Passives I play would call down here unless they had 2-pair or a big TP. I don't see a passive raising with something that doesn't beat K8.
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Old 10-19-2005, 08:00 PM
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Am I mischaracterizing passive? Passives I play would call down here unless they had 2-pair or a big TP. I don't see a passive raising with something that doesn't beat K8.

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Just because he's labeled passive doesn't mean he's on the extreme end of it. Especially in this defense situation he could be raising here with any King. If I had a read like "only bets the nuts" then it'd be a different story.
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Old 10-19-2005, 08:09 PM
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Fair enough then, seems to make sense enough [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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