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08-25-2005, 11:53 AM
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Re: David Pham Chops
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If you're willing to take advantage of a rule as contrary to poker as the "f-bomb" in order to win, you're essentially being greedy [/ QUOTE ] I won't argue with that. But greed is one of the reasons that I entered the poker tournament in the first place, or play poker at all. [ QUOTE ] and tacitly admitting you don't have the edge to beat your opponent organically. [/ QUOTE ] Come on, this doesn't make sense. Let's say that I am a somewhat better player than David Pham, and for the sake of argument we are even in chips when this comes up. So maybe I am a 55-45 favorite to win the tournament if I take the penalty with him. However, if I don't take the penalty with him, maybe because of the chips I gain I jump to a 60-40, or 70-30, or whatever favorite. It would still be +moneyEV for me to make this play, although the gain in spiritual growth that I might experience might very well more than make up for that money I am missing out on. But I doubt it. Anyway, my point is that it is silly to say that I am "admitting that I don't have an edge in the first place." [ QUOTE ] Most resepctable poker players would consider it a scumbag tactic. [/ QUOTE ] Well right now we have something of a sample size issue, but I would be interested to hear from some other respected poker players on this issue. 
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#12
08-25-2005, 12:08 PM
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Re: David Pham Chops
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Well right now we have something of a sample size issue, but I would be interested to hear from some other respected poker players on this issue. [/ QUOTE ] I can assure you that among sane members of the poker-touring population, taking advantage of the f-bomb rule in a headsup situation is still considered an extension of angle-shooting. Poker is supposed to be a gentleman's game, and, yes, ruthless behavior has its place in the game, it simply shouldn't have anything to do with the "f-word."
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#13
08-25-2005, 12:50 PM
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Re: David Pham Chops
In Pham's spot, I think after deciding to chop I'd get up and leave, thus leaving the casino in a somewhat embarassing situation, and perhaps forcing them to come one step closer to reevaluating the rule.
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#14
08-25-2005, 01:03 PM
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Re: David Pham Chops
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In Pham's spot, I think after deciding to chop I'd get up and leave, thus leaving the casino in a somewhat embarassing situation, and perhaps forcing them to come one step closer to reevaluating the rule. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure what you mean about the "embarassing situation." Please elaborate. As for reevaulating the rule, I doubt it will happen. California card players don't know how to behave and floormen presumably need rules like this to maintain a sense of leverage.
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#15
08-25-2005, 01:17 PM
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Re: David Pham Chops
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[ QUOTE ] In Pham's spot, I think after deciding to chop I'd get up and leave, thus leaving the casino in a somewhat embarassing situation, and perhaps forcing them to come one step closer to reevaluating the rule. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure what you mean about the "embarassing situation." Please elaborate. As for reevaulating the rule, I doubt it will happen. California card players don't know how to behave and floormen presumably need rules like this to maintain a sense of leverage. [/ QUOTE ] It'd apply more to a big tournament with onlookers. The casino would certainly be embarassed if one player essentially left in boycott, ruining the heads up portion of the tournament.
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#18
08-25-2005, 01:33 PM
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Re: David Pham Chops
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I think it started in LA cardrooms, where player and dealer abuse was a big problem and people apparently need rules to inform them that using the "f-word" is often impolite. It was a constant source of nagging at the WSOP 2005. [/ QUOTE ] I thought it started when all the TV exposure started in an attempt to "clean up" the image of poker. I haven't played in Cali that often, but I first heard of the rule 3 or 4 years ago at the WSOP.
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#19
08-25-2005, 01:40 PM
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Re: David Pham Chops
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Here's an idea. Don't use the f-word or any swear words at the table. It's rude. [/ QUOTE ] I'm an adult playing a game that requires you to be over 21 to participate, and playing it in a casino. I shouldn't have to watch my language like I was playing in an elementry school.
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#20
08-25-2005, 01:50 PM
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Re: David Pham Chops
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[ QUOTE ] Here's an idea. Don't use the f-word or any swear words at the table. It's rude. [/ QUOTE ] I'm an adult playing a game that requires you to be over 21 to participate, and playing it in a casino. I shouldn't have to watch my language like I was playing in an elementry school. [/ QUOTE ] If there is a chance that cursing makes fish uncomfortable, why not restrain yourself from doing it? I understand the occasional slip, but grow up.
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