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Old 04-03-2005, 11:03 PM
MrX MrX is offline
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Default To push or not to push

This was a hand from the Empire $100+10, 50k guarantee.

The first limper limped with a variety of hands like suited connectors, weak aces, etc. The small blind who completed would complete any 2 in the sb, but would raise a premium hand, he had not slowplayed AQ,JJ,AA preflop.

My question is I am almost 100% positive the SB will flod if I push, and fairly certain the first limper will too.

Is the EV greater form pushing or possibly calling in the hopes of stacking someone with a set, given the relative stack sizes?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP2 (t2650)
MP3 (t4140)
CO (t1548)
Button (t1895)
SB (t6850)
Hero (t2905)
UTG (t2874)
UTG+1 (t3650)
UTG+2 (t1670)
MP1 (t2170)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls t200, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB completes

Hero does......

Results to follow
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Old 04-03-2005, 11:10 PM
Pat Southern Pat Southern is offline
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Default Re: To push or not to push

I actually like a push, because assuming you are only worried about the limper, then its equivalent to an 11BB push, and I would push here with 11BBs. However, if you know either player likes to slowplay, then I check and see the flop.
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Old 04-03-2005, 11:58 PM
MrX MrX is offline
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Default I pushed, and follow-up question.

[ QUOTE ]
This was a hand from the Empire $100+10, 50k guarantee.

The first limper limped with a variety of hands like suited connectors, weak aces, etc. The small blind who completed would complete any 2 in the sb, but would raise a premium hand, he had not slowplayed AQ,JJ,AA preflop.

My question is I am almost 100% positive the SB will flod if I push, and fairly certain the first limper will too.

Is the EV greater form pushing or possibly calling in the hopes of stacking someone with a set, given the relative stack sizes?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP2 (t2650)
MP3 (t4140)
CO (t1548)
Button (t1895)
SB (t6850)
Hero (t2905)
UTG (t2874)
UTG+1 (t3650)
UTG+2 (t1670)
MP1 (t2170)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls t200, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB completes

Hero does......

Results to follow

[/ QUOTE ]


I did push seeing 600 easy chips to pick up and no one called. Another follow-up question is...given my reads on the 2 players, should I push any 2 there?

MrX
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Old 04-04-2005, 12:08 AM
unglee unglee is offline
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Default Re: To push or not to push

I don't think you're quite in a push or fold situation yet with your stack and only two limpers, so I think in this situation I would just check and see what the flop brings. Just a personal preference.

A push, given your reads, isn't bad either, but you should consider the effect it will have on your table image. AA and KK probably don't push here with this minimal preflop action, so they are going to think that you're either saying "don't limp to my blind", or that you're trying to steal, which might loosen them up a bit the next time you push. Neither of these are bad things, necessarily, but if you're LAG or like to bluff, you might have to adjust your playing style accordingly, as other players might be more inclined to check or limp to try to induce a big raise from you.
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